Lore Incentive Is Ruining Duty Roulette

[BorisDaBlade]

No one is obligated to provide a "full run" for anybody. Want to wait for all the fruit to pop in AV? Do a preformed party. Not pulling/killing every mob on every floor is not harassment.

As for the whole not waiting for protect and ss, swift cast protect during the first pull. Problem solved. Btw, when I was leveling ast, my Protect was in slot 4 of my cc and couldn't use it for the lower level dungeons (clerics is more important) and I didn't miss the mitigation one bit.

[StouterTaru]

No, let me explain. That's sort of an 'in general' [the comment actually states, "...when you vote-kick someone for being too fast". So, you encounter a speed tank, and all he's doing is being fast. No derogatory comments, no flaming, etc. How do you justify the option for a kick?

I would say 9/10 vote kicks I see list AFK, because that's the first option. AFK is the actual reason maybe 1/10 times.

[Evumeimei]

No, let me explain. That's sort of an 'in general' [the comment actually states, "...when you vote-kick someone for being too fast". So, you encounter a speed tank, and all he's doing is being fast. No derogatory comments, no flaming, etc. How do you justify the option for a kick?

Well, in that case, there would be no reason to kick. But if it's really a problem, people will often start arguing, which then often leads to insults... and if it reaches that point, the person harassing the other players should be the one kicked. If all party members are civil then they can certainly work something out. But a lot of players seem stuck on "my way or the highway."

[Leigaon]

Nothing wrong with that, but they move too fast! I usually have to waste my lightspeed just to give them protect, and stoneskin, and I'm tired of it.

It's usually accepted, that during the start of a fight you do your protect and at least stoneskin the tank. I'll give protect and Stoneskin the tank. If he runs, I go and can get the others along the way. If they run before I can give it to them, then I accept the fact they don't think they need it and we keep on going. If we live, we live. If you die..maybe that stoneskin could have helped. Lots of factors play into it. By no means am I saying you're wrong to feel upset. There's nothing wrong with preparing for battle, and as a white mage I can do the whole group, as an AST / SCH, I have to do each individual one. If that's the case I usually just do the tank. Sometimes they stay around and I get the others.

Though we are a team, and as a team people need to accept there's a chain and there are bottlenecks..and if you try to jump ahead, you're going to have a bad time. I've had tanks who sprint right after and start pulling and they die because I'm not even done casting, yet they're already way in and taking on a lot of mobs. In which case..you pizza when you should have French fried, and you're gunna have a bad time.

I would argue though it's not so much the lore that is the issue, it's the people and the way things are set up..but that's a much deeper and different issue.

I'm slowly learning more about AST too, so I wish you luck!

[Felis]

This is not how you play the game. I can't believe this is a shared sentiment.

Normally everyone wait at the beginning of the dungeon for the healer to buff. Start runnig before everyone is ready (be it with buffing or with loading into the dungeon) is not how you should play the game.

[Mutemutt]

Honestly, this sounds very dramatic over the smallest things (I mean, you really get plenty of opportunity to cast protect even if the tank runs off in the first few moments) and very controlling. If I was tanking a dungeon and the healer gave me that "do what I say or I let you die" ultimatum, I'd probably leave the party on the spot.

Oh and speaking of enjoyment and learning (or what little you can really learn from your average dungeon in this game), big pulls are better. It's pretty much the only time you'll have a use for all those healing and tanking buffs as well as making both roles more active. If I'm tanking a run and I see that the healer isn't casting that much heals and I'm not really using any defensive cooldowns, I take that as a sign that I need to pull more stuff, but maybe that's just me.

[Greydor]

Well, in that case, there would be no reason to kick.

Exactly! So, please folks, please don't vote kick or complain about a tank that's 'too fast' and not harassing anyone. If the DF is not going how you would like it to, leave and take your penalty. Whether a tank should/should not run quickly is a point of personal debate.

There's a big warning before you vote/kick that you should not abuse the system. I'd report it if I got kicked for running too fast (which, by the way, I'm not running off without buffs, so if you encounter me in DF - don't worry).

[Istaru]

Most of these issues would not be issues if people actually communicated to each other.

You want a full clear, ask for it. And accept the results.
Player A wants big pulls, say something to the tank/healer and accept the results.

All of us cannot have all the things we want all of the time. A little communication and respect go a long way. Sadly there is so little of it, especially in DF content.

[gddanimations]

All of us cannot have all the things we want all of the time. A little communication and respect go a long way. Sadly there is so little of it, especially in DF content.

This, hands down.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

As a larger part of the issues at hand, much of the problem lies in the fact that we simply hold low expectations of the DF and the players we run into there. Be the change you want to see. Play well, and accept nothing less than others doing the same; no more "it's just DF so whatever". This is a measure every player needs to take in order to see improvements happen.

Just as it's generally accepted as good etiquette to not pull a hunt early, or join a farm party without having cleared content, don't join DF content without the willingness to adapt and cooperate with your party (within reason), and play at your absolute best.