Lore Incentive Is Ruining Duty Roulette

[Greydor]

...Sadly before I could start a Vote-Kick...

Honest question. Which choice would you choose when you vote-kick someone for being too fast?

AFK
Offline
Harassment
Cheating

I don't see it falling into any of these categories. I do have a feeling someone's going to quote this and say, "harassment", but harassment is a form of aggression and intimidation - not running too fast.

[SDaemon]

Honest question. Which choice would you choose when you vote-kick someone for being too fast?

AFK
Offline
Harassment
Cheating

I don't see it falling into any of these categories. I do have a feeling someone's going to quote this and say, "harassment", but harassment is a form of aggression and intimidation - not running too fast.

If it is impacting the rest of the group negatively and the rest of the group choose to kick him it'll pass, regardless of personal validation. If the tank doesn't agree he can argue it to a GM and let the GM decide if it was valid. People kick for viewing the cut-scenes in this community, I don't agree with it but it doesn't stop people from doing it.

[Laerune]

Honest question. Which choice would you choose when you vote-kick someone for being too fast?

AFK
Offline
Harassment
Cheating

I don't see it falling into any of these categories. I do have a feeling someone's going to quote this and say, "harassment", but harassment is a form of aggression and intimidation - not running too fast.

I dont know what happend with OP dungeon run, but with mine the Tank hurled alot of bad words, I reckon harassment would fit pretty well there. The thing is with this game kicking someone does not mean you need to enter one of those 4 topics, since we can kick players for not playing up to the standard of the group. We can kick players for being bad, we can kick players for playing in a different way (ice mages, players doing none of the roles that fit them).

So in this case, I would have kicked him out for harassment and if the tank was not insulting and still rushing and ignoring, the group could have still kicked him out for any reason. It might not be a good reason, but that is how the system works in FFXIV.

[Evumeimei]

Honest question. Which choice would you choose when you vote-kick someone for being too fast?

AFK
Offline
Harassment
Cheating

I don't see it falling into any of these categories. I do have a feeling someone's going to quote this and say, "harassment", but harassment is a form of aggression and intimidation - not running too fast.

I think you missed the rest of the post where it was clear the tank was insulting the newcomers, so harassment would be completely valid. Also, in this case 3 out of 4 party members wanted to do a full run so why couldn't the tank just slow down a bit (especially while wearing the mentor symbol *rolls eyes*)?

The sensitivity of the player base here is always astonishing to me. What's equally astonishing is an outright refusal to grow and adapt. Gain more bearing and a healthy dose of situational awareness or any more leveling you do will be riddled with more experiences like this. I'd rather not have the forums continue with nonsensical posts every time someone can't think one more step ahead.

A bit of hypocrisy here as one could say the same about the higher level players. Why can't they adapt to a party when the party requests they slow down? Have they really grown if they don't even have the patience to wait for a protect at the start of a dungeon? Learning your class and how to adapt to situations is one, but learning and being willing to adapt to the party you are a part of is another equally important aspect.

I personally always adapt to the party I end up queued with, even if I'd prefer we do a fast run or that the tank make smaller pulls, because I understand that what's important is working with the people in your party (even if they are trying to work against you).

[Greydor]

I think you missed the rest of the post where it was clear the tank was insulting the newcomers, so harassment would be completely valid. Also, in this case 3 out of 4 party members wanted to do a full run so why couldn't the tank just slow down a bit (especially while wearing the mentor symbol *rolls eyes*)?

No, let me explain. That's sort of an 'in general' [the comment actually states, "...when you vote-kick someone for being too fast". So, you encounter a speed tank, and all he's doing is being fast. No derogatory comments, no flaming, etc. How do you justify the option for a kick?

[StouterTaru]

No, let me explain. That's sort of an 'in general' [the comment actually states, "...when you vote-kick someone for being too fast". So, you encounter a speed tank, and all he's doing is being fast. No derogatory comments, no flaming, etc. How do you justify the option for a kick?

I would say 9/10 vote kicks I see list AFK, because that's the first option. AFK is the actual reason maybe 1/10 times.

[Evumeimei]

No, let me explain. That's sort of an 'in general' [the comment actually states, "...when you vote-kick someone for being too fast". So, you encounter a speed tank, and all he's doing is being fast. No derogatory comments, no flaming, etc. How do you justify the option for a kick?

Well, in that case, there would be no reason to kick. But if it's really a problem, people will often start arguing, which then often leads to insults... and if it reaches that point, the person harassing the other players should be the one kicked. If all party members are civil then they can certainly work something out. But a lot of players seem stuck on "my way or the highway."

[Greydor]

Well, in that case, there would be no reason to kick.

Exactly! So, please folks, please don't vote kick or complain about a tank that's 'too fast' and not harassing anyone. If the DF is not going how you would like it to, leave and take your penalty. Whether a tank should/should not run quickly is a point of personal debate.

There's a big warning before you vote/kick that you should not abuse the system. I'd report it if I got kicked for running too fast (which, by the way, I'm not running off without buffs, so if you encounter me in DF - don't worry).

[Chocolys]

Honest question. Which choice would you choose when you vote-kick someone for being too fast?

AFK
Offline
Harassment
Cheating

I don't see it falling into any of these categories. I do have a feeling someone's going to quote this and say, "harassment", but harassment is a form of aggression and intimidation - not running too fast.

When you (general) sign up to be a mentor, you accept the following terms:



So the tank's attitude described earlier by Laerune, can be considered as Cheating this aggreement or as a form of harassement since not respecting the behavior a mentor is expected to show in a Mentor Roulette.
I advise novices experiencing "fake mentors" in Mentor Roulette to report them.

[TiaHariberux3]

When you (general) sign up to be a mentor, you accept the following terms:



So the tank's attitude described earlier by Laerune, can be considered as Cheating this aggreement or as a form of harassement since not respecting the behavior a mentor is expected to show in a Mentor Roulette.
I advise novices experiencing "fake mentors" in Mentor Roulette to report them.

Healer is much worse letting ppl die on purpose can be considered as griefing and waste time for everyone in there. For new ppl a bit faster run may ruin the run for them...abit but wiping whole time will just make it worse.