Lore Incentive Is Ruining Duty Roulette

[Yeol]

Rushing the dungeon isn't something bad. You will learn to heal large pulls and adapt to all types of tanks, good and bad. This benefits you more than cause you harm. Get used to all scenarios and all situations.
First time tank did a large pull when I was leveling SCH made my heart drop, but guess what? I managed to keep him alive and felt pretty damn good about it.

I totally understand what you're going through. But trust me, you will improve. And you will change your mind regrading this statement. You will realize how players like that were one of the reasons you improved.

[Kathryn]

Honestly it gets worse at DR EX, I literally just had it a few mins ago I asked at the start Big pulls or Small, it fell on deaf ears nothing silence not even a "Hi", Anyway I proceeded to pull started small "just incase" everyone just ran past me so I thought fine big pulls im ok with that, got to the second boss and it's that whirlwind guy I usually pull him to by the barriers so its easier for me with minimal movement so dps can go nuts. The BLM pipes up "You tanked that wrong" and proceeded to tell me it needed to be tanked in middle... Out of ALL the run's I have done of these dungeons I've not had one wipe/death or complaint let's just say that today I quit DR with randoms I won't tank for them no more i'll sign up as DPS and only tank for my FC/LS.

This is a Multiplayer game communication will always be key no matter how trivial you think the content is it might only be someones second run through give the newbies a chance, And this is someone who has played this game since 1.0 launch.

[CodingSquirrel]

Honestly it gets worse at DR EX, I literally just had it a few mins ago I asked at the start Big pulls or Small, it fell on deaf ears nothing silence not even a "Hi", Anyway I proceeded to pull started small "just incase" everyone just ran past me so I thought fine big pulls im ok with that, got to the second boss and it's that whirlwind guy I usually pull him to by the barriers so its easier for me with minimal movement so dps can go nuts. The BLM pipes up "You tanked that wrong" and proceeded to tell me it needed to be tanked in middle... Out of ALL the run's I have done of these dungeons I've not had one wipe/death or complaint let's just say that today I quit DR with randoms I won't tank for them no more i'll sign up as DPS and only tank for my FC/LS.

This is a Multiplayer game communication will always be key no matter how trivial you think the content is it might only be someones second run through give the newbies a chance, And this is someone who has played this game since 1.0 launch.

I don't think it's worth giving up tanking randoms just because of one idiot. Especially when what you were doing isn't really a problem. I personally just tank him where he stands in the middle at the start but usually after he knocks me back he ends up running to the outer edge anyway. I've never had a complaint and I don't really see what there is to complain about. So the BLM has to walk two extra steps to be in range, he'll live. My response would have been "Don't like it? Queue as tank next time and you can do it whichever way you like."

No matter what role you play there's always going to be that person that's a dick for no reason. By giving up playing that role you're giving him too much power.

[Zojha]

My response would have been "Don't like it? Queue as tank next time and you can do it whichever way you like."

Aka: "My way or the Highway" attitude.

Scientifically proven to de-escalate conflicts.

[CodingSquirrel]

Aka: "My way or the Highway" attitude.

Scientifically proven to de-escalate conflicts.

If they're just going to make an asinine complaint about a perfectly legitimate strategy, yeah pretty much. They can go pound sand.

[Zojha]

If they're just going to make an asinine complaint about a perfectly legitimate strategy, yeah pretty much. They can go pound sand.

In other words: Fighting fire with fire so that the whole world may burn.

Mhmkay. I personally think becoming a dick yourself is not an efficient way to fight dicks, but to each their own.

[Zhamkyong]

I... Dont think it is too dificult to be more communicative towards the party?

After reading all the pages here i understand both sides of the coin and... Well, everyone is right, more or less in theyr arguments, so... Why not reach a common ground of ettiquete? If we all want a good playerbase in the new areas/trials/raids/younameit to come, we need first to show in an appropriate manner to the new players HOW. This is a MMORPG game where communication and cooperation is the key, no one can argue with that. No one is gonna run an entire raid by themselves while shouting "this is my way of doing things, shut up" and calling for a wipe.

New players often want guidance, Mentor or not, as a level 60 players we should just give them that. Explain to them WHY someone is rushing a dungueon, for example, dont just run away thinking "Ima get this done in 5 min max" and then dying because of your own impatience. That also should be extended to a veteran player who is learning a role. We all want to do level60 stuff and be happy that everyone know theyr class at least, right?

It's just... Easy, so easy. Be polite, think of your comrades, talk. We are all here to have fun, not to go to each other throats...


Unless you are a greedy lala *cough*

[Ghastly]

Yeah I would let them die if they don't want protect. Just like as a tank I let any dps (bards) die when they pull mobs before me.
Know your roles

[Friggan]

my 2 gil. What "the community" accepted, well if you are going by forums that's maybe 5% of the players of the game, what you need to go by is what the 4 (or 8 ) people in your party agree to.

If healer is ok with big pulls, cool. If you have new players who are learning then take the time to help, that is what Mentors are for, right? The mentors I have played with have NOT been mentors at all, just people with a crown and tude saying this is how we are going to do it (no guidance, just this is what I am doing ) I don't think that is the point .

No right or wrong way, just go with this team this run, what worked for other ones may not apply

[bounddreamer]

The kinds of attitudes I have seen in this thread are why I won't tank leveling roulette anymore unless I'm going in with one of my healers. And people wonder why tanks are in need.

If you need a minute or two of preparation before every single pull in a low level dungeon, I don't even know what to say to you.

People to tanks: "Pull faster. Use more cooldowns. Pull bigger. Get ALL the mobs."

Tank: but I'm new to this dungeon and I'm not comfortable

Healer lets them die; tank is vote dismissed

People to tanks: pull slower. Don't waste cooldowns on trash. Don't get side mobs. I want to spend five minutes looking at the scenery. Make sure we get the map achievement

Tank skips a room, gets vote dismissed

I just got the Lifer II achievement yesterday. In all my time doing duties at all levels in this game I've seen a tank run off protect literally twice that I can remember. Five if you count guildhests (which I don't, because protect doesn't matter at that level).

As a healer, guess what I did when the tank ran off without protect? I sprinted after him, waited til he stopped moving, and I cast protect. No Swiftcast wasted, no attitude, no failure to do my job as a healer.

It's really not that big of a deal.