Lore Incentive Is Ruining Duty Roulette

[Hayward]

This ^

Welcome to speed runners, circa Brayflox HM. It's just how it is. Without them, your queue times would be horrendous, so please don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Don't flatter yourselves. Leeroy tanks need to learn to respect their teammates, no matter how "pro" they think they are. As an aside, this goes twice for healers and DPS trying to force tanks to take on more than they want by pulling enemies.

Where do you people need to be that you force speedruns on people?

[Velhart]

Don't flatter yourselves. Leeroy tanks need to learn to respect their teammates, no matter how "pro" they think they are. As an aside, this goes twice for healers and DPS trying to force tanks to take on more than they want by pulling enemies.

Where do you people need to be that you force speedruns on people?

I have a firm belief if you are going in a random duty roulette with people, then expect certain conditions to be met by you. People expect large pulls from tanks, big AoE damage from DPS, and healers to keep heals up on big pulls. You can argue first timers, but if you are a healer at lv.60, then by that point you should know how it works and how to deal with it. There is not one dungeon that is built beyond just pulling trash mobs and kill then proceed to the next boss. No unique mechanic. Just pull the trash, heal the tank (DPS also if you can), then continue. It isn't hard to grasp. Lower level dungeons don't really have opportunities to do real massive pulls, some yes, but not a lot and chances are your tank is newer also.

Also, instead of complaining, why not take the opportunity to learn and adapt to it? You are going to deal with it almost always in roulettes and no amount of complaining to people in parties or forums are going to change it. If you truly do have a problem with it, find three other people who will tolerate you being very slow.

Yes however tanks need to wait for Protect. 98% of tanks do wait for them, if they don't it is unintentional.

[Lunaxia]

I love how there are so many people who don't respect their healers enough to wait for the healers to do their job and buff the party.

I don't see a problem with a healer simply casting buffs when everyone is working on taking out the first group of trash mobs.

You just solved the answer to your own complaint.

Is it silly not waiting 30 seconds for buffs? Yes. But it's far sillier and far pettier to refuse to heal because of it.

[SendohJin]

Swiftcast Protect.

I don't even set Stoneskin for my SCH. need the slot for Blizzard II.

[MugenMugetsu]

You just solved the answer to your own complaint.

Is it silly not waiting 30 seconds for buffs? Yes. But it's far sillier and far pettier to refuse to heal because of it.

Yeah, but I still had to take up for the healers out there who attempt to cast buffs at the start of an instance only to see the tank and everyone else run off as fast as possible. There's no reason to not wait for buffs, but of course I did have to make mention of the common sense approach to buffing an impatient party.

As far as flat out refusing to heal due to people not waiting for buffs, well, that's just childish and immature. If you attempted to buff the party and they ran off, suck it up and buff them during the first trash pull. It's not that big of a deal, especially considering that the same people the OP called into question (high level tanks running the instance for lore) are sync'd down, yes, but they are still over geared and more than able to take some hits while being buffed, and like I also mentioned it's best to let the tank build some enmity before healing the tank anyway.

[Keikun]

Look at all these elitist "mentor" tanks! they cant deal with "noobs" why would they? they are too pro to wait for anyone, hey noob, do a speed run or bite the dust of my proness...lol elitist people, if you cant wait for buffs or deal with novice people, do them a favor and quit the dungeon.

[ElHeggunte]

Look at all these elitist "mentor" tanks! they cant deal with "noobs" why would they? they are too pro to wait for anyone, hey noob, do a speed run or bite the dust of my proness...lol elitist people, if you cant wait for buffs or deal with novice people, do them a favor and quit the dungeon.

I don't agree with attempting to force healers into doing runs faster than what they're comfortable with (even though I firmly believe being forced out of your comfort zone is one of the quickest ways to learn), but I also fail to understand why the tank running off in dungeons before receiving buffs is such a big deal that it required an entire thread. It's not like you're restricted to casting Protect and Stoneskin at the dungeon entrance so if he runs off just follow after him and cast them the next time he sits still. Or just go without it until you have a window of opportunity, like on a boss pull where no one is taking damage for a few seconds anyway. If the tank manages to die in the ~3 seconds it takes you to cast Protect he was probably going to die even with the buff, especially if we're only talking about dungeon trash.

[Greedalox]

Look at all these elitist "mentor" tanks! they cant deal with "noobs" why would they? they are too pro to wait for anyone, hey noob, do a speed run or bite the dust of my proness...lol elitist people, if you cant wait for buffs or deal with novice people, do them a favor and quit the dungeon.

Silly how people create this image in their head that players are one of two extremes- mentors or elitists, when in reality it's primarily people who don't coddle baddies and new players. New players aren't as stupid as you're insinuating, I'm sure they can problem solve casting Protect when they sprint and catch up to the tanks monster pack, or God forbid maybe a swiftcast.

Being pushed to do better helps you get better, it's not an elitist thing as much as you want it to be.

[RyuSaarva]

actually it seems to me that only about 70% of tanks wait for buffs, not 98%.

[Celef]

Yes however tanks need to wait for Protect. 98% of tanks do NOT wait for them, because they need to go faster, faster, faster and do not care about the healer strugguling to keep them alive.

As a WHM as main, i took the liberty to correct your sentence