Thread: 3.4 speculation

Originally Posted by PArcher

As for the Echo, Ive thought she's had it since 2.55; her foresight there is too uncanny to be just intuition.

Since when has the Echo given us foresight, though? It lets us see past events, not future ones... For it to even have had any function in the events of 2.55, she'd also have to have been in contact with those involved to use Echo hacks to gain any insight into what was going on and it would have to have been on the spot, which doesn't give a lot of time to recover and set a clear course of action to aid us... It seems more likely to me that she just figured something was up, presumably Crystal Braves were setting up to secure the area, and were I her, I'd find it odd if my brothers militia was hanging around and he'd never informed me of it... Not hard to then be prepared for them, then send aid when events take a turn... Didn't Urianger also put in special protective measures following Lahabrea/Livia storming the place way back? Seems much more likely to me that the Waking Sands was just targeted after we entered the trap, but not before it was sprung... That gives her enough time to piece together what's happening and send the small amount of aid we received from her...

I absolutely want her to summon Phoenix-Egi though, I think that could make for a fairly nice climatic revival of someone, she'll probably have to have her brother there too though, for another use of the worlds most impractical book...

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Nabriales did it, not Lahabrea

As far as I'm aware, we don't actually have any confirmation who, but like I said, Nabriales was watching and claimed "Lahabrea will be pleased", that implies it was Lahabreas plan, not his. What's more, Lahabrea did pretty much the same thing with Thordan, then you should also consider the whole "of this world" thing and how that gains Lahabrea and Elidibus additional freedoms that Nabriales and the others lacked at that point in time... Lastly, if you tie Lahabrea back to XII, which his name is definitely referencing, then he should have some association with Ice, and indeed does, based on the ARF battle...

Nitpick, it's actually Igeyorhm in the ARF battle who summons the ice orbs (she even casts "Blizzard Orb") and Lahabrea who summons the fire orbs. (They even have the swirly crystal animation of a player summoning, tinted to match the element). Igeyorhm is the one who casts Dark Blizzard II, and Lahabrea who casts Dark Fire II, Fire Orb, etc. Lahabrea does have a voice line when the arena gets coated in ice, but it's Igeyorhm who actually casts the spell (you can see her animation go off).

(I think the Firesphere even spawns on the same as Lahabrea's mask and the Blizzardsphere the same side as Igeyorhm's after they combine...)

Originally Posted by Nalien

As far as I'm aware, we don't actually have any confirmation who.

Don't know if it is only in the german version readable this way, as the german grammar does alot more separate female and male than english.

An example that could be close to this and got hopefully not to wrong translated by Mr Google:

"I have a mortal shown the ...."

For the word you would use in german for the "a" in the context of the sentence, we have more than one version: male, female and for "things".

In the german version, during our small talk with Moenbryda in northern Thanalan, he tells us during his short visit, that he did show a female person how to summon and he was angry, because we did destroy it. This was lorewise not long after we defeated Shiva. So its pretty clear which female person he did mean and he was the one, who showed it to her.

Hmm, I remember him commenting on us undoing his work with Ysayle, but I also recall him mentioning having to suffer Lahabreas company in the same breath, which made it sound more like they worked together on it, with Lahabrea being in charge and thus (in my mind) ultimately responsible... I'd hope Nabriales was simply claiming more credit than he was due, just because it would make me dislike him all the more, but I suppose we have Lahabrea + Nabriales for Shiva, and Lahabrea + Igeyorhm for Thordan... Hopefully an Echo cutscene in Snowcloak (Hard) can shed some light on that...

Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't forget the Echo is different for everyone, except for the protection from Primal influence. It's very possible for it to give an increased sense of foresight/limited visions of the future to someone

So far the Echo has been fairly rooted in simply breaking down the barriers (exclusively between souls?) for various effect, though... You can see someone or somethings history, or understand their meaning without understanding their language, or you can fuse souls or gain immortality by hijacking other living things... I guess we can still gain some future reading off that, or rather, we can break down the barriers between worlds and look at an alternate timeline...

Still seems far fetched to me, though it could make for an interesting plot detail (though equally, it could make for a terrible one...), but really... If Alisaie has the gift of foresight through the Echo, she sure as hell isn't displaying it... If I had that gift and Derplander sniffed me out, I wouldn't have been shocked, I'd have known he was about to find me and I'd have known Thancred was about to jump to my rescue... I really don't think she has any such gift, I think the defenses Urianger put in place after the last attack on the Waking Sands gave Alisaie a heads up on what was about to go down and she just sent aid... It makes sense the Crystal Braves would want to lock down the Waking Sands for the same reason they'd take the Rising Stones, and as the brother of their commander, I imagine Alisaie would question what they're doing there and why Alphinaud told her nothing about it enough to connect the dots and send help...

Actually, scrap that, now that I think about it, didn't Tataru arrive there and warn them before heading off to Coerthas? She was attacked and took a boat from Limsa to Vesper Bay, so yeah... That's how Alisaie knew the Crystal Braves were turning... Tataru and Yugiri arrived and warned them while it was too late for us...

The exact sentence was: "Da ertrage ich Lahabreas wichtigtuerische Präsenz, um einer Sterblichen die Kräfte einer Göttin zu verleihen, und du machst alles zunichte!"

I can't give a precise translation of it. The first part is his personal opinion about Lahabrea (and also the hint that it was Lahabreas idea), the second part is about him (Nabriales) giving goodlike power to a female person and the last part is about we did destroy it.

Hm. Ok. with some fantasy it also could be read it was the plan of Nabriales and Lahabreas was the one, who executed it.

I find it difficult speculating for 3.4, partially because the only thing that even piques my interest is Derplander's team and maybe Regula van Hydrus. One's gonna get shunted to the stinger(spoilers: its Derplander), and the other...well I haven't played 6, so i don't see the appeal of Kefka, particularly a Kefka that doesn't succeed in fostering great changes in the setting. I just don't see that yet in Hydrus, or any Garlean antagonist. They seem like bowling pins to knock down.

Originally Posted by Alberel

As for the fight itself, I'm expecting an Alexander-Prime battle along the lines of Bahamut-Prime when we breach the final core. The time magic concept creates the opportunity for some really creative mechanics though and I'm hoping SE fully capitalises on that. I'd really like to see party members getting sent forward and backward in time to fight in parallel with the different time periods affecting each other. So much potential.

I hope they do a lot with the time concept... I see no reason we should be stuck with a final mini Alexander Prime boss the same as Bahamut, why not have him go "Nope, I'm done fighting like this, you're going to the future where I've won", then dump us out in an Illuminati-controlled Idyllshire to fight the actual full-sized Alexander... That would make up for the complete lack of threat Alexander has posed thus far, if we actually got sent to the ruins of future-Idyllshire... Then we just beat him in the future (mechanic idea: We knock the Cenotaph over to KO him), climb back in and beat him in the present... Ozma gives me a lot of hope for such mechanics, hurry up and disappoint me, SE...