Thread: 3.4 speculation

Originally Posted by Nestama

This goes against everything we've been fighting for. Our main goal has always been to keep Primals from being summoned (since their existence is causing harm to Hydaelyn).

Oh, I know. But if something really bad happens (perhaps an Imperial offensive on Gridania the Alliance just can't handle with no notice) we may have to.

Heck, we did allow Ysayle to summon Shiva to aid us twice. Scions happy about it? No. But we can't deny that she helped a little bit.

EDIT: And if Ramuh (or any Primal, for that matter) does have information or *something* we need to win (or even just hold out for longer to find what we need) against the Ascians, we'll have to summon him. Bad choice? Yes. But if not doing so costs us our lives, or something equally important...

Originally Posted by PArcher

Heck, we did allow Ysayle to summon Shiva to aid us twice. Scions happy about it? No. But we can't deny that she helped a little bit.

It's definitely not something we're above doing... 1.0 ended with us actively worshiping the Twelve so Lou could summon them to stop Dalamud... Granted, his plan wasn't as simple as just summoning them, but 1.0 still ended with "Hey, remember how big a deal we made about summoning being bad? Forget it, we're summoning the Twelve!" and nobody (except Gaius) made much of a fuss about that...

Until they explicitly state that it isn't happening, Free Company Primal Summoning was planned content, and last I recall the only issue was making it work within the lore, so I would expect some change that pushes towards us actively summoning, even if it's just the once (since there is a disconnect between game play and lore). It's also by far the best way remaining to us to blast Ascians... We're out of Auracite, we've got nothing left to aetherblast with, we should learn at least one thing from Thordan... I would expect the story to push towards justifying Primal Summoning in the lead up to 4.0, given that's the perfect place to introduce such content and content that justifies it (give me Campaignnnnn!), for all we know the Crystals of Light let us summon problem free...

Originally Posted by Nestama

I think Shiva is a special case, since Ysayle was using her own body (since she had the Echo, she probably had a lot of Aether to spare) to summon the Primal.

Anything stopping us doing the same? Her final summoning even involved a Crystal of Light... I would actually guess that this is what Snowcloak (Hard) would focus on; We go back there to figure out where she got her Crystal of Light and how she came about summoning Shiva proper... Queue a boss fight (maybe even with the Warriors of Darkness) and an Echo flashback to Lahabrea telling her how to become Shiva, and we've potentially got justification to walk into East Shroud, call upon Ramuh and see if he'll let us sit behind that epic beard for a time...