Thread: 3.4 speculation

Originally Posted by Nalien

As far as I'm aware, we don't actually have any confirmation who.

Don't know if it is only in the german version readable this way, as the german grammar does alot more separate female and male than english.

An example that could be close to this and got hopefully not to wrong translated by Mr Google:

"I have a mortal shown the ...."

For the word you would use in german for the "a" in the context of the sentence, we have more than one version: male, female and for "things".

In the german version, during our small talk with Moenbryda in northern Thanalan, he tells us during his short visit, that he did show a female person how to summon and he was angry, because we did destroy it. This was lorewise not long after we defeated Shiva. So its pretty clear which female person he did mean and he was the one, who showed it to her.

Nitpick, it's actually Igeyorhm in the ARF battle who summons the ice orbs (she even casts "Blizzard Orb") and Lahabrea who summons the fire orbs. (They even have the swirly crystal animation of a player summoning, tinted to match the element). Igeyorhm is the one who casts Dark Blizzard II, and Lahabrea who casts Dark Fire II, Fire Orb, etc. Lahabrea does have a voice line when the arena gets coated in ice, but it's Igeyorhm who actually casts the spell (you can see her animation go off).

(I think the Firesphere even spawns on the same as Lahabrea's mask and the Blizzardsphere the same side as Igeyorhm's after they combine...)

Hmm, I remember him commenting on us undoing his work with Ysayle, but I also recall him mentioning having to suffer Lahabreas company in the same breath, which made it sound more like they worked together on it, with Lahabrea being in charge and thus (in my mind) ultimately responsible... I'd hope Nabriales was simply claiming more credit than he was due, just because it would make me dislike him all the more, but I suppose we have Lahabrea + Nabriales for Shiva, and Lahabrea + Igeyorhm for Thordan... Hopefully an Echo cutscene in Snowcloak (Hard) can shed some light on that...

Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't forget the Echo is different for everyone, except for the protection from Primal influence. It's very possible for it to give an increased sense of foresight/limited visions of the future to someone

So far the Echo has been fairly rooted in simply breaking down the barriers (exclusively between souls?) for various effect, though... You can see someone or somethings history, or understand their meaning without understanding their language, or you can fuse souls or gain immortality by hijacking other living things... I guess we can still gain some future reading off that, or rather, we can break down the barriers between worlds and look at an alternate timeline...

Still seems far fetched to me, though it could make for an interesting plot detail (though equally, it could make for a terrible one...), but really... If Alisaie has the gift of foresight through the Echo, she sure as hell isn't displaying it... If I had that gift and Derplander sniffed me out, I wouldn't have been shocked, I'd have known he was about to find me and I'd have known Thancred was about to jump to my rescue... I really don't think she has any such gift, I think the defenses Urianger put in place after the last attack on the Waking Sands gave Alisaie a heads up on what was about to go down and she just sent aid... It makes sense the Crystal Braves would want to lock down the Waking Sands for the same reason they'd take the Rising Stones, and as the brother of their commander, I imagine Alisaie would question what they're doing there and why Alphinaud told her nothing about it enough to connect the dots and send help...

Actually, scrap that, now that I think about it, didn't Tataru arrive there and warn them before heading off to Coerthas? She was attacked and took a boat from Limsa to Vesper Bay, so yeah... That's how Alisaie knew the Crystal Braves were turning... Tataru and Yugiri arrived and warned them while it was too late for us...

The exact sentence was: "Da ertrage ich Lahabreas wichtigtuerische Präsenz, um einer Sterblichen die Kräfte einer Göttin zu verleihen, und du machst alles zunichte!"

I can't give a precise translation of it. The first part is his personal opinion about Lahabrea (and also the hint that it was Lahabreas idea), the second part is about him (Nabriales) giving goodlike power to a female person and the last part is about we did destroy it.

Hm. Ok. with some fantasy it also could be read it was the plan of Nabriales and Lahabreas was the one, who executed it.

I find it difficult speculating for 3.4, partially because the only thing that even piques my interest is Derplander's team and maybe Regula van Hydrus. One's gonna get shunted to the stinger(spoilers: its Derplander), and the other...well I haven't played 6, so i don't see the appeal of Kefka, particularly a Kefka that doesn't succeed in fostering great changes in the setting. I just don't see that yet in Hydrus, or any Garlean antagonist. They seem like bowling pins to knock down.

Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't forget the Echo is different for everyone, except for the protection from Primal influence. It's very possible for it to give an increased sense of foresight/limited visions of the future to someone

Gotta do it!

Clairvoyance? Possible!

Originally Posted by KarstenS

The exact sentence was: "Da ertrage ich Lahabreas wichtigtuerische Präsenz, um einer Sterblichen die Kräfte einer Göttin zu verleihen, und du machst alles zunichte!"

I can't give a precise translation of it. The first part is his personal opinion about Lahabrea (and also the hint that it was Lahabreas idea), the second part is about him (Nabriales) giving goodlike power to a female person and the last part is about we did destroy it.

Google translate is amazing, y'know!

... an approximate but not precise translation of the line is "I endured Lahabrea's pompous attitude to give a mortal the powers of a goddess, and you made all my effort amount to nothing!"

I always figured it was Lahabrea or Nabriales. Really couldn't have been anyone else. Exactly which of the two is a bit of a moot point though - the Ascians taught Ysayle to summon, and we know better than to trust the Ascians. So no full-scale summoning for us, ever. Probably.

Originally Posted by Kallera

I find it difficult speculating for 3.4, partially because the only thing that even piques my interest is Derplander's team and maybe Regula van Hydrus. One's gonna get shunted to the stinger(spoilers: its Derplander), and the other...well I haven't played 6, so i don't see the appeal of Kefka, particularly a Kefka that doesn't succeed in fostering great changes in the setting. I just don't see that yet in Hydrus, or any Garlean antagonist. They seem like bowling pins to knock down.

I feel the same, though for my part it's mostly because there's just no major story threads in the foreground right now. The Dragonsong War has been in the forefront almost since the tail end of 2.3, so we're really bereft of much of anything to try and deduce future development from.

... except the Triad, Garlemald, and Ala Mhigo. Those are the only story hooks active right now.

Spoilers! I've never played VI, at least, not in its entirety - I got to the end of the first act and found it kind of boring. I did greatly enjoy Kefka's character (and gameplay) in Dissidia, though, and can easily understand why he'd be as popular as he is. That said I'm just following a logical pathway to the "Regula - Kefka" theory, though it is but one of myriad possibilities.

EDIT
It should be noted that, while we have yet to suffer a major loss to the Garleans in-story, we've not dealt with them full force yet. 1.x players went up against van Darnus' VIIth, and though they did succeed in killing him did so too late to stop the Calamity. The XIVth was a major threat in the last act of 2.0 and, despite being a rogue unit without official Garlean support, would have won were it not for a literal divine intervention from Hydaelyn. We have yet to see what they're truly capable of.

And putting the VIth on the Floating Continent (Azys Lla), with magitek research facilities, and the Warring Triad? That's a disaster just waiting to happen.