3.4 speculation

**Laili** · 07-18-2016 07:24 AM

I think 3.4-3.5 is going to culminate in a schism between the remaining Scions: Elidybus already has Uriangier listening to him, and Thancred will be easy to pry away if he dangles something about getting Minfillia back from her current state in front of him. I could see the dynamic duo going separate ways for a while as well; big Papa being concerned about his duties to the world at large vs Yda's efforts in aiding the Ala Mhigan resistance. I also think Alisae is gonna take her brother's spot as our chief sidekick for most of 4.0. And I know it'll never happen but if we get another "crew" together like we had through most of 3.0 I really want the Deftarm to come along wth us.

**Tracewood** · 07-18-2016 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Laili

I think 3.4-3.5 is going to culminate in a schism between the remaining Scions: Elidybus already has Uriangier listening to him, and Thancred will be easy to pry away if he dangles something about getting Minfillia back from her current state in front of him.

It's possible, Alphinaud would want to focus on more diplomatic issues, rebuild the Crystal Braves, and lead the Rising Stones as I could imagine the Dragonsong war was taxing on him.

I'm inclined to assume about Thancred that we could find out that Minfillia's fusion with Hydaelyn is actually a tricked/forced abduction and the Ascians knew. Alisaie could easy spill the beans and he'd be the first to know... and he already feels pretty bitter about being unable to get Minfillia back. I get the feeling as WoL we aren't getting the full story and Ascians would rather play us as pawns than tell us straight. There is a faint hint with the W'soD that at some point Elidibus might of convinced them they're following a falsehood...

Or, they could be converted into Zodiark's thralls that were taken when Louisoix ported them away from the planet (The opening ARR cutscene) before Bahamut would finish them off. Even as powerful as Louisoix was, the Binding Coil story explains how he was being controlled by Bahamut when you see him in the SCoB cutscenes. We did see a CS of the W'soD attacking an Ascian in 3.1 in a place similar to when we talk to our crystal only to fade to white moments later.

EDIT: Come to think of it, this thrall thing, my jaunt through all of coil recently opened up some possibilities... Elidibus seems to be the most approachable character among his associates, oddly clad in white, while still having a dark secret he's keeping but right now he's on good terms with Urianger and assuming he's Unkawhatshisname (Kid-lidibus) master. I'll bet he has a much grander scheme and has been using the other Ascians... who also might just be merely thralls of Zodiark as a means to an end. Where as Lahabrea and co. want Zodiark to revive, where Elidibus seeks to reunite Zodiark with Hydaelyn... which might explain how Urianger seems to be "going along" with this idea so to speak.

**Ametrine** · 07-18-2016 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Laili

I think 3.4-3.5 is going to culminate in a schism between the remaining Scions: Elidybus already has Uriangier listening to him, and Thancred will be easy to pry away if he dangles something about getting Minfillia back from her current state in front of him. I could see the dynamic duo going separate ways for a while as well; big Papa being concerned about his duties to the world at large vs Yda's efforts in aiding the Ala Mhigan resistance. I also think Alisae is gonna take her brother's spot as our chief sidekick for most of 4.0. And I know it'll never happen but if we get another "crew" together like we had through most of 3.0 I really want the Deftarm to come along wth us.

I would be glad if it goes this way. I want Ali to spend more time in the limelight, and I'd like Yugiri to see more action.

**Theodric** · 07-18-2016 09:14 AM

Wait, hold on...implications were made that I'm a Nazi supporter and believe that the Earth is flat and I'm the rude one? I'm not quite sure how that works...

If you don't want to involve personal matters in a debate then it helps to not make and support such bizarre statements and accusations in the first place.

**Frederick22** · 07-18-2016 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Wait, hold on...implications were made that I'm a Nazi supporter and believe that the Earth is flat and I'm the rude one? I'm not quite sure how that works...

If you don't want to involve personal matters in a debate then it helps to not make and support such bizarre statements and accusations in the first place.

Where someone said that?
Put the comment where someone said that you are a Nazi supporter. Nobody said such a thing.

**Theodric** · 07-18-2016 09:39 AM

It certainly seemed to be the implication. Especially when combined with the later quip about believing that the world is flat. At any rate I'd like to hope that I don't have to explain why it isn't a good idea to bring up Nazi Germany so casually. Especially in a time period when it has become very fashionable to shut down debate and opposing views by comparing people and concepts to Nazi Germany knowing full well that many people are going to react poorly to such an implication/accusation or back down altogether.

So, again, let's drop the matter to avoid the thread getting locked. Agreed?

**Cilia** · 07-18-2016 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

[L]et's drop the matter to avoid the thread getting locked. Agreed?

Disagreed! You implicitly want a rational debate on the issue and I'm offering one. Let's go. I am desperately in want of a .gif of Senator Armstrong saying the same...

If you need time to cool down, that's okay. But if you don't get back it looks very much like you don't want to actually debate and would prefer to close your eyes and cover your ears when people bring up the myriad ways Garlemald is really not cool.

Gushing (gushing!) about your favorite subject once in a while is fine, but when you do it all the time it gets a bit grating, and when you say you would like to debate and someone offers to do so and you decline it sounds like your argument(s) is very weak.

**MilesSaintboroguh** · 07-18-2016 11:38 AM

Guys, why don't we start this over? I thought we were trying to not be like the General Discussion board.

**seekified** · 07-18-2016 04:38 PM

I'm going to ignore the last few pages of this thread and start on a different track. Yesterday, I watched my girlfriend get through the last few quests of 3.3 and so got to rewatch all the final cutscenes and it made me think a lot about Ala Mhigo and what comes next. I took a trip to East Shroud due to its geographical closeness, and wandered here:

This is more or less as close you can get to the great wall, and it has a prominent Garlean presence. Obviously all the interesting paths are blocked off, but I thought - might this be what will become the entryway into Gyr Abania later on? How different was this part of the Shroud in 1.0, and are there any quests now that talk about the region and what happened after the Autumn War?

**Tracewood** · 07-18-2016 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by seekified

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It could be, but if I remember it was the Twelveswood that erected the wall, they probably wouldn't be too happy to drop it to let people pass. You might get to play in the zone for a little while, maybe Castrum Oriens (or the ruins of it) might make for a good dungeon. So after some trial and error we might be promted to find another route. Either through the mountains of Xelphatol which is to the north of Gridania or the Sylphlands if I'm looking at this right according to the world map or...

We have to follow the resistance (They might be in possession of a means to summon a primal, which would goad us to follow them in disguse, only after they use said primal to wreck things in Eorzea first) to the Sea of Jade but first have to cross the mighty desert of Paglth'an. There is also the matter of the Warring Triad, I don't know if they're going to weave that in to the MSQ towards the end or not.

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