I guess it's time

[Brian_]

So I figured I'd provide some more specifics about how easy I think their content planning could be fixed.

For PvP --
1. Have the PvP rewards (the mounts, the achievement gear) require a mix of BGs.
2. Make PvP currency and EXP matter. Perhaps move some of the out-dated rewards to purchased rewards (obviously expensive).
3. Have the Frontline roulette rotate BGs just like how the adventurer in need bonus works. Increase the bonuses to really add incentives.
4. Add weekly or weekend BG bonuses.

That ensures that people will do all the BGs, get a much wider experience of FFXIV PvP, and keep the content alive much longer. I can't see how that would take much effort on SE's end.

For PvE, I think the changes need to be more drastic. First off, I think their current structure is backwards. It makes no sense to release your hardest content first, burn out all your casuals and mid-cores, then release a catch-up patch. There should be linear content progression, not this current jumbled mess rife with dead-on-arrival content.

Just looking at 3.2-->3.3-->3.4-->3.5 as an example --

3.2 -- 2 EX Dungeons, Sephirot --> Zurvan --> Sophia (NM), Sephirot --> Zurvan --> Sophia (EX), Weeping City of Mhach

3.3 -- 2 EX Dungeons, Nidhogg NM, Nidhogg EX, single difficulty Alexander Midas, other alternative content.

Combined, that's 4 trials, 4 HM/EXs, one 24-man, and 4 floors of Midas. That's not significantly more work than the current 2 trials, 2 HM/EXs, one 24-man, 4 floors of Midas, and 4 floors of Savage. It's just 2 new fights in terms of aesthetics. But, in terms of content progression, it's significantly smoother and gives mid-core players much more to work with.

The Warring Triad series could drop weapons and right-sides. Weeping City obviously drops left-sides. Lore gear's upgrades would not be available until 3.3. The progression and gear will mean more because even HC players will be incentivized to do the content to prep for Alexander. Right now, Alexander Midas Normal was useless to raiders after 1 clear. Nidhogg is dead content to a raider past A7S. Weeping City is worthless to them, too. Of course there will be a feeling of nothing to do when much of the content is pointless on or shortly after release. For your casual / mid-core player, this gives them an actual path of progression rather than a bunch of face-roll content, 1 EX trial, and then a mile-high wall called Savage. Sephirot --> Zurvan --> Sophia EX could be a slow difficulty ramp that will prep people for Midas and help foster a healthier and stronger PuG / static scene.

3.4 -- implementation of massive echo or NM Alexander Midas to open up the story to casuals, next 24-man raid, some new NM and EX trials.

3.5 -- NM MSQ trial, EX MSQ trial, final wing of Alexander, other alternative content.

3.6 -- small patch adding echo to the final wing of Alexander or a NM mode ahead of the next expansion.

With this set-up, the progression path for 3.4-->3.5 is where they should end up. Echo / NM Alexander Midas (face-roll) --> NM trials (normal) / 24-man (normal) --> EX trials (hard) --> EX MSQ trial (harder) --> Alexander (hardest). Real ramping progression. That's compared to now where it's a complete mess -- Alexander Midas NM (face-roll) / Sephirot NM (face-roll) --> Sephirot EX (hard) / Alexander Savage (hardest) --> Nidhogg (normal) / Mhach (normal) --> Nidhogg EX (hard).

[Braden]

You'll find this thread in every MMO forum. Three truths:
1) Developers will never create traditional MMO content as quickly as their most prolific players consume it. If you play 10, 20, or 30+ hours a week you're never going to feel satisfied with any one MMO.
2) Over time, we get bored with games and game systems. It's tough for a franchise to keep interest when you're slamming similar buttons with a similar art style for years on end.

It's unrealistic to play one MMO many hours a week for years and not get bored.

Not really truths. Alot of people, myself included, played FFXI for around a decade or more. Now my first 2 years, I played an unhealthy amount. It was not good, I was in college, no job. After that though, I've been a casual player. At no point did I ever have the best up to date gear sets, but I was very satisfied. Because, I always had content to do and gear to earn.

[Iromi]

^same here.

Played FFXI for years for hours on end and never got bored or burnt out.

[Grux]

/signed

It is true though. Though there are ups and downs between the start of an expansion and midway through. Some of the contents are just plain grindy (a chore).

It's kinda ok for the working population such as myself as I have something to do after work.. though roulettes every night is getting really old really fast.

Also the majority of the players are casual to mid-core.

There should be better content to be able to address that.

I'm sure Deep Dungeon will accomplish this somehow - until they increase the floor caps at every patch, but what about in between?

What do?

[Grux]

On another note, why do people play D3 over and over again as it's the same thing.

Hint:
Customization.
The want to be different.
Trying out different builds.
Min/maxing equips.
The 'hunt' for something worthwhile.

(Not a fair comparison, but hey.)

[Seraphix2407]

Please reread what I said

I tell you to say the same. I never said you said that, but by your logic it sounds like it. You tell people to quit the game because people want more different content and not same copy paste 24-7. You tell people this:

As I said in an earlier post - If all you do is one thing (raid, pvp, ect) then it is quite obvious that FFXIV isn't for you. If you do a little bit of everything (this is a theme park mmo), then you have a mountain of never ending content.

You do release not only raiders and people who do pvp etc, as you stated also want a overhaul on the game? They been doing the same for years.
Read what you said, then read what I said. You say ''since if you all do is one thing raid pvp etc, then this game isn't for you''. You do realize that many casuals or those who wants to raid wants to do it more too right? But the skil cap is big in content. So more varity in content would help those people improve step by step and get into the harder raids.

I will say it again, I've had many breaks in this game. When I played FFXI, I did too but long as this game? Nope. That expension pack in 07 FFXI not only made the game better but there was so much more new things that was worth while and so fun to do, while old content was amazing and still rewarding (sky sea etc).

Yes I know excactly how 1 character all classes etc works. After all FFXI was my first MMO and many things in this game is built on it besides dumming it down for a big majority.
I'm the type of player who do nearly everything besides things I don't really like, but my question is, how long will it last? Doing 1 thing that I did 2 years ago, AGAIN. Isn't about being burnt out, far from it. It's more like you get tired of doing the same shit again. I have friends who came back to HW and quit right after, why? They knew it would be the same. I really wish they can fix alot of things in this game. It's not only about how gear is, it's also more about things we can do together, fresh content, not copy paste. To many people they think it will change the game so much, but it wont. You know that if they follow the same system in next expension pack it will be very bad, because mostlikely you get another beast tribe that works excactly like moogle/ixal tribe quests. Yeah probably another 24 man raid with same mechanics we seen before. Want to know what's really bad? The same mechanics been there for ages but people still fail on them.

And I love how this thread is suddenly ''toxic''. Many in here cares about the game, myself included. I've had my breaks so don't tell me to take another. I've had atleast 5-6 months worth of break. People don't get it. I don't take a break to get into another patch that works excactly the same as the previous one.

Yeah, suddenly people are so bad for saying the game deserves more but people say oh no, less vanity, less RP, less of this and that. NO One ever said they should remove that, many here wants MORE AND DIFFERENT. I guess it's too hard to understand.

[Dorander]

I tell you to say the same. I never said you said that, but by your logic it sounds like it. You tell people to quit the game because people want more different content and not same copy paste 24-7. You tell people this:



You do release not only raiders and people who do pvp etc, as you stated also want a overhaul on the game? They been doing the same for years.
Read what you said, then read what I said. You say ''since if you all do is one thing raid pvp etc, then this game isn't for you''. You do realize that many casuals or those who wants to raid wants to do it more too right? But the skil cap is big in content. So more varity in content would help those people improve step by step and get into the harder raids.

I will say it again, I've had many breaks in this game. When I played FFXI, I did too but long as this game? Nope. That expension pack in 07 FFXI not only made the game better but there was so much more new things that was worth while and so fun to do, while old content was amazing and still rewarding (sky sea etc).

Yes I know excactly how 1 character all classes etc works. After all FFXI was my first MMO and many things in this game is built on it besides dumming it down for a big majority.
I'm the type of player who do nearly everything besides things I don't really like, but my question is, how long will it last? Doing 1 thing that I did 2 years ago, AGAIN. Isn't about being burnt out, far from it. It's more like you get tired of doing the same shit again. I have friends who came back to HW and quit right after, why? They knew it would be the same. I really wish they can fix alot of things in this game. It's not only about how gear is, it's also more about things we can do together, fresh content, not copy paste. To many people they think it will change the game so much, but it wont. You know that if they follow the same system in next expension pack it will be very bad, because mostlikely you get another beast tribe that works excactly like moogle/ixal tribe quests. Yeah probably another 24 man raid with same mechanics we seen before. Want to know what's really bad? The same mechanics been there for ages but people still fail on them.

And I love how this thread is suddenly ''toxic''. Many in here cares about the game, myself included. I've had my breaks so don't tell me to take another. I've had atleast 5-6 months worth of break. People don't get it. I don't take a break to get into another patch that works excactly the same as the previous one.

Yeah, suddenly people are so bad for saying the game deserves more but people say oh no, less vanity, less RP, less of this and that. NO One ever said they should remove that, many here wants MORE AND DIFFERENT. I guess it's too hard to understand.

At this point, we can either just agree to disagree or we can keep talking in circles. You don't want to take a break because you are burnt out. Instead, you'd just rather whine that you have nothing to do, when it's been proven that there is quite a bit of content that comes out like clockwork. You just think the content is meaningless or not worth your time.

However I will say this in parting: for those who keep championing FFXI as a much better game, maybe during your break (or complete departure) from FFXIV - Go back to it. FFXIV will never be FFXI -2, it is not now, never was planned to be, and never will be, a direct sequel. Maybe that's to hard to understand?

[Iromi]

I already said pages back that I would gladly go back to FFXI, but it is no longer the same game. They changed it far too much with ilvl, small servers that need merging, etc. Lol Seraphix2407, I think Dorander is a lost cause, and keeps passively telling people to quit :/ Funny thing is apparently that is against ToS to tell someone to quit in game. >.> But anyway, nah people are just giving good suggestions and things they'd like added, optional things, like everything else in FFXIV.

That is what this forum is for, suggestions and feedback to help the devs stay in touch with their players. And no...no one is "burnt out" per say, they are tired of playing the same game with a different skin since 2.0, so they are offering constructive ideas. Discouraging people from doing that..and encouraging them to just leave and not say anything is a really poor idea. Again, I've never got "burnt out" on a hobby of mine before, why would I? They are always enjoyable, no matter how many times I partake in them.

Ah, also..again, I have completed everything in this game and feel it is still lacking things in terms of diversity and longevity. So..can't use the "you dont do all the content" card on me really :x

And I haven't seen anyone "championing" FFXI, I have seen people state facts, that they never got bored in XI. The fact of the matter is, there was content in 1.23/1.x series that have some longevity, the dev team can do it, they just do not for some odd reason. I also dislike how its acceptable to mention WoW here, but mention FFXI and prepare for crucifixion. Well whatever, I for one will keep giving suggestions and letting Yoshida and the devs know how I feel to help them know what people are thinking. Yoshida seems genuinely interested in what people have to say and is a good listener, so it is worth a shot

[MagiusNecros]

Yeah telling people to leave the game for offering constructive criticism on how to enrich the game due to it being the same crap every patch cycle because you don't want the game to change at all is very petty.

You did the same shit in 2.0 and it reared it's ugly head in 3.0. Will 4.0 be the same?

Only reason I log in is to play with my friends and the fact I love the FF franchise and the fact on PC this is I think the only MMO or at one of the ones that offers "official controller support".

I mean after I get my completed DRK relic outside of my friends I will probably take a extended break until another expansion hits since the story is actually half-decent.

[Seraphix2407]

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Just read what I wrote again please. I never said content is useless, like completely useless atleast. I don't want to take a break because I'm burnt out? Why not, people like yourself say it all the time on this forum it's either break or quit the game right? This is an example and taken from this thread, I could go on all day.

Take a break and come back a week or so before the next patch lands. Till then, take care!

My reply to this person was:

Taking breaks has its limit. It Will most likely be the same again and hardly any break Will make the game look fresh. Lots over 10 friends and more to come.

You don't get it. Content content content, is all you have in defence to say. Have it ever occured to you the content we currently do is EXCACTLY the same we did 2 years ago, just in different skins? Have you even read the last few threads on the first to third pages on this forum? How many people feel excactly the same and many feel this game need to refresh up, because if they keep going like this they will lose more people. MANY, very very many wanted to believe HW would make the game step up, but it never did. Expansion pack is supose to EXTEND game content and add things on top of what we aready have and not copy paste the entire first part of the game and reskin it.

Whine? Holy sh*t?! When was I whining? Want to see something that groundbreaking for you before you tell me or other people are whining when we actually give feedback?



No, no one wants this game to be excactly like another FFXI. However, what's so freaking wrong adding content thats wortwhile, more fun, challengin, rewarding and most importent DIFFERENT?

FFXI, I actually went back to it, but yeah they changed alot of it . iLvl etc, it's not the same as it used to be. Before you tell people they whine, go read the pictures and stop call people whiners, how childish.

I already said pages back that I would gladly go back to FFXI, but it is no longer the same game. They changed it far too much with ilvl, small servers that need merging, etc. Lol Seraphix2407, I think Dorander is a lost cause, and keeps passively telling people to quit :/ Funny thing is apparently that is against ToS to tell someone to quit in game. >.> But anyway, nah people are just giving good suggestions and things they'd like added, optional things, like everything else in FFXIV.

Excactly and telling people to quit, last time I checked is somewhat childish too. Oh well. I hope he do reply to the pictures I posted atleast .

OH yeah, the people who tell me to quit or whine, go check the pictures before you say anything .