I guess it's time

[zosia]

It is. Like it or not. When you think about successful sub-based mmos that are alive till today, it's normal to people say FFXIV and WoW (maybe EVE too) and there's nothing wrong with that. You don't even have to like FFXIV to acknowledge that it is successful, being a sub-based and themepark mmo in a time that this isn't a very popular route for MMO genre. If you love WoW and find it a better game okay, it's your opinion, but please stop acting like some kind of fanboy that insists in making comparisons without some kind of context. I'm sure that if WoWwas released in 2013 being a remake of a financial-failure game it would not have the same sales today, not because the game is bad, but because of the timing.

I never said this game was not successful. There is definitely a semblance of success, just no where near as robust as you might like to think. This game can't take it in the shorts like wow did sub wise. This game has a meager active player base and acting like the current end game is fine as is only exacerbates the problem.

An endgame climate where people are "giglamesh or bust" into this games 2nd (really it's 3rd) expansion is not a good sign. Go ahead though, pretend that everything is ok, pretend that this game is great at retaining players and pretend that the content we receive is both satisfactory in volume, depth, and quality.

SE the company, not the dev team, was hell bent on running this game on a skeleton crew and now it's starting to show. SE the company deserves to have this golden goose cooked, especially if ff15 turns out to be as clunky as the demo was at e3.

Alas, I don't even know why people are so surprised. I mean, it's not like FFXIV 2.0 was hardcore from the start, was it?
And still, you want the game to decimate just because it's a more casual-inclined game, seriously? So everything that doesn't caters around your interests should fail? Please, step out of your bubble. The world does not round around you nor should a game. To be honest, if you didn't care about the game you wouldn't be here discussing in this thread and if you're but still don't care, then please go make some tea, relax, find something to do because that kind of hate for a game is just sick.

I want this game to do poorly because it deserves to do poorly. No, the game should not cater 100% to me, that is ridiculous to assume I feel that way. What I do feel is that if a game is going to drag raiders through content the dev team cannot even clear in it's entirety (looking at a4s), then the players that participate in that content should be rewarded for such a monumental amount of effort.

ARR raiding was great and then the dev team took a big steamy one right on top of the raiding community in heavensward. Why am I so salty? Because literally almost all my friends quit because the endgame is garbage. While I have been complaining on the OF for months about what has been killing the endgame, the dev team has done NOTHING to fix the raiding community.

This game does not deserve end game players. If the glamour fest casual core crowd can't sustain the game after the rest of us "hardcore elite" leave for other games, then this title deserves to fail.