I guess it's time

[Lyshell]

OMG this thread is still going? lol

[worldofneil]

OMG this thread is still going? lol

I know right!

If anyone that is leaving is on Sargatanas, can I have your stuff please?

I've been playing the game non-stop since launch and I'm happy as it is

[RobbieH]

I know right!

If anyone that is leaving is on Sargatanas, can I have your stuff please?

I've been playing the game non-stop since launch and I'm happy as it is

Good for you, but you're a casual, of course you're happy.

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

Mark my words however, if the formula doesn't change with 4.0 this game will die, and even if they make the changes for 5.0 i'm afraid it will be too late.

[Lambadelta]

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

End-game raider here. The game is fine.

Mark my words however, if the formula doesn't change with 4.0 this game will die, and even if they make the changes for 5.0 i'm afraid it will be too late.

So the WoW doomsayers have ended up appearing here now?

[RobbieH]

End-game raider here. The game is fine.

Have fun getting gear that is worthless every 6 months, so exciting (^^,)

So the WoW doomsayers have ended up appearing here now?

I've never played wow, you clearly are a bad white knight.

The formula won't change much, and the game will be just fine. Deep Dungeons, a revamped Diadem and whichever new content systems come in 4.x will keep things fresh as the game follows its set path.

I'd like to see how successful the game is 6 months after 4.0, there'll be like 200 people playing the game.

I've predicted Aion and TERA future, people laughed in the forums, guess who laughed last.

[Velhart]

Have fun getting gear that is worthless every 6 months, so exciting (^^,)

Some hardcore only care about getting new fights to take on every 4-8 months. Some are fine with gear being outdated for a new set. Some care about quality of content and look at a gear as a means to an end.

What makes you entirely sure that doing the same piece of content for years for a few pieces of gear is the way to go? Please prove to me this will work on all levels of gameplay and not just for those who played FFXI. I'm begging you to make a compelling argument.

[RobbieH]

What makes you entirely sure that doing the same piece of content for years for a few pieces of gear is the way to go? Please prove to me this will work on all levels of gameplay and not just for those who played FFXI. I'm begging you to make a compelling argument.

I would, but since you already mentioned you didn't ply GW2 to the point you can't comment on it no point for me either to comment on something you don't understand.

People say this game follows WoW formula, which to me is bad, they should start to look at GW2 instead.

I didn't play XI either so cn't comment on it.

Vertical progression is a sickness, that's all.

[Melorie]

I'd like to see how successful the game is 6 months after 4.0, there'll be like 200 people playing the game.

Oh god. Do people need that drama to prove their point? 200 people? Seriously?

I've predicted Aion and TERA future, people laughed in the forums, guess who laughed last.

I hope your main is Astrologian.

[seraf]

Good for you, but you're a casual, of course you're happy.

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

Mark my words however, if the formula doesn't change with 4.0 this game will die, and even if they make the changes for 5.0 i'm afraid it will be too late.

ITP: You're only hardcore if you Raid.

I looked up that guys Lodestone profile and he has everything at Lv.60 and probably has thousands of hours of play time invested in the game. Yet because he doesn't do "hardcore Raiding" he is condemned as a Casual and his opinion is void? Please. What makes his thousands of hours worth less than your time invested other than Raiding? This goes for any other long term player of this game as well.

[worldofneil]

Good for you, but you're a casual, of course you're happy.

This thread is mostly a complaint by the hardcore/end-game raiders audience.

ITP: You're only hardcore if you Raid.

I looked up that guys Lodestone profile and he has everything at Lv.60 and probably has thousands of hours of play time invested in the game. Yet because he doesn't do "hardcore Raiding" he is condemned as a Casual and his opinion is void? Please. What makes his thousands of hours worth less than your time invested other than Raiding? This goes for any other long term player of this game as well.

Thank you And it's 4805 hours apparently (I tend to log out when I want to AFK so that's a probably fairly accurate time).

There's just too much to do in this game and putting in multiple hours a week for "hardcore raiding" just isn't something that interests me. I realise that RobbieH has a big complaint about vertical progression, but I actually quite like gearing and re-gearing when they release new items. Sure it's repetitive when you say it like that, but it also gives me a feeling of my character always getting more powerful and to me that never really feels boring. With everything at 60, it also doesn't really feel like I'll ever actually fully gear *everything* before the next patch... and I am totally fine with that. Like most people I have a few jobs I prefer playing so they get geared first and the rest get anything that comes up.

I played FF XI for 6 years and looking back now I can't actually fathom how we managed to keep the same gear for so many years... why did we not get bored? Probably because I actually did do "hardcore raiding" in that game, because there wasn't much else to take up my time. Well that and the fact every time you wanted to do something as a group it usually took in excess of an hour to get everyone in position as there were never any teleports near where you actually wanted to be...

Here on FF XIV though, when I'm not collecting esoterics to go towards my relic, I like collecting minions (up to 179 at the moment), Orchestrion songs (made the last one a few days ago) and I'm totally planning on looking into chocobo breeding in the very near future. I've also got a second subscription with other characters that I now level up when I feel like levelling something. I also enjoy crafting airship parts and house fascias in the company workshop (although every time I complete one I swear never again... for a few weeks anyway...). I also look forward to the day Diadem becomes relevant again, but after getting the minions from Lords of Verminion achievements it's totally put me off that so if I can avoid this for the rest of my life... I will be very happy.

What I'm ineloquently trying to say is that there is a ton of content in this game and I'm sorry that you're mainly only interesting in raiding... from what I understand (or what SE have implied?), it's only a small percentage of the players that actually even do Savage, do really expect them to change the game that much for a minority?

Just want to add, I'm well aware there are *many* players that have achieved much more than I have and to them I tip my hat, but please don't call me casual just because I don't actively raid. I'm in this game for the long haul, I'm just going about it a different way to you.