I guess it's time

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Why do people wanna bring things from FF XI instead of just playing FF XI?

Because it's a final fantasy mmo? a lot of people were thinking ff14 would be similar to ff11 but with better combat and better graphics. Since ff11 was developed for ps2 and ff14 was being developed for ps3 and pc. What we got was a disaster, which was alleviated by copying WoW to some degree. But now they copying all the hand-holding crap that a lot of people don't want.

What you are suggesting would be similar to making tekken 7 play like street fighter, then telling all the pissed off fans to go play tekken 5. Pretty rediculous if you ask me.

EDIT: I think for my opinion. This game will prob need more stuff at max level than just 1 relevant raid and roulletttes if it wants to keep people playing. If they can't come up with something that is fun, then at least throw in stuff from ff11? We will see how palace of the dead goes, but if it's only 3 hours long i fear people might grow bored of it fairly quickly.

[Cakekizyy]

I didn't suggest anything.

[FallenArisen0990]

Uh. She even suggested some content from FFXI. Looking into something in a deeper way letting aside your nostalgia has nothing to do with "shooting down" something. This should be a mature discussion. If you think that she isn't right, then prove your point instead of being salty.

This has nothing to do with Nostalgia. XIV has a broken formula that needs fixing in a bad way. In XI, things were made to last. XIV, things are made to last a quarter of a year, if that. I don't want another Diadem, I want another Sky, Sea, HNM or..... Horizontal Progression.

[Velhart]

This has nothing to do with Nostalgia.

Not even an eency weency bit?

[Fumijj_Gah]

This has nothing to do with Nostalgia. XIV has a broken formula that needs fixing in a bad way. In XI, things were made to last. XIV, things are made to last a quarter of a year, if that. I don't want another Diadem, I want another Sky, Sea, HNM or..... Horizontal Progression.

Well, FFXI is a milestone and you won't find anything similar in ARR, mainly cause the team behind it. The gap is really too huge and Tanaka is too far away now, the more time goes by, the less the game shines, unless radical changes with the new expansion (4.0) those people who love the whole saga, jRPG and the XI are hoping for. Not by chance the main cities are still the best areas in game (those Akihiko Yoshida and FFXIV 1.0's visual designers made, they're basically the same still worse than before cause we miss the original bgm[s], with Soken not doing a brutal job though), with Mor Dhona and Coerthas completely destroyed by ARR's team. Not by chance Heavensward been a huge fail when it comes to creativity, ideas and target while losing all the depth and the care the main areas had.


A shame since FFXIV had has an infinite potential due the impressive work Tanaka's team did years ago (races design pre-AuRas, lore and gameplay). Not even blaming Yoshi-P, pretty sure he's aware but too scared to make the right choices so far (hope it's gonna change now that the population is really poor). Time to trade vanity and silly/useless stuff for a true fantasy made for the fans and the hardcore community? We'll see, hopes up!

[Beetle]

Pretty silly we don't have any real feedback on any of this yet.
All we get is this:

"We're looking into it"
"Please look forward to it"

Reality its more like this:

"We're not gonna do anything about it"
"Please wait 10 years for it to even come out"

So after Yoshi P gets a RMT tell ingame for the first time in like 3 years. Now its time for him to do something about it?
That's if they actually follow through and actually fix it like they said they would.

I don't understand why they even bother to go out to places like gamescom just to show off a 3-6 week old patch update. Nobody cares unless its a new game or its a preview of the upcoming expansion. Just saying it be better spent if they were all working at there office. No point getting new players that have no idea how to play the game telling them to beat Sephirot hm or extreme for T shirts. The people that already know how to do the fight already play the game or aren't fans of the series or MMOs. No point traveling to places around a japan to sell tickets to a live letter. All the questions they get are pre chosen and if its a serious question they just discard it with just saying "We'll look into it", then any actual feedback on why they aren't going to do it. (Because people would quit the game.) No point having live letters and only having them talk in japan only. Just release a 10min video of yoshi P talking with subtitles. (These live letters are planned way ahead anyway to sell tickets, just make a video.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omRZ7lGE1SA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNKXtLKFgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBcMnfE2oHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6vrJFOmCFA

Is there really a reason to have 3 fanfests? Just show everything in one fanfest. Maybe you guys would finish the expansion sooner and wouldn't need to take a 3 month break or delay the expansion a extra month.
You guys spend way too much time traveling around promoting the game the wrong way. Just make a good game and players will come and stay around. Word of mouth spreads fast.

Yoshi P came to mexico's gaming whatever college and behind him said something like, "Don't forget business side of gaming". Hopefully they aren't just thinking about the bottom line & short term gains.

[Braden]

Because it's a final fantasy mmo? a lot of people were thinking ff14 would be similar to ff11 but with better combat and better graphics. Since ff11 was developed for ps2 and ff14 was being developed for ps3 and pc. What we got was a disaster, which was alleviated by copying WoW to some degree. But now they copying all the hand-holding crap that a lot of people don't want.

What you are suggesting would be similar to making tekken 7 play like street fighter, then telling all the pissed off fans to go play tekken 5. Pretty rediculous if you ask me.

EDIT: I think for my opinion. This game will prob need more stuff at max level than just 1 relevant raid and roulletttes if it wants to keep people playing. If they can't come up with something that is fun, then at least throw in stuff from ff11? We will see how palace of the dead goes, but if it's only 3 hours long i fear people might grow bored of it fairly quickly.

This. Well put.

To Velhart and others who would follow the Devs straight off a cliff if they told you to jump:

I asked this question many pages back. Who's going to buy this game 1,2, or 5 years from now (including original arr plus all of the expansions), when 99% of battle content and gear is irrelevant? Mmos need subscriptions and new players as well.

The game needs a shift in a better direction and people use ffxi as a reference because it had great content and gear progression. Now I play this game, there's a lot to like. Better content like ffxi has, would increase longevity and create a better community. The current formula used here reminds me a lot like dcuo a free to play game with a cash shop. The FF franchise doesn't need it, nor do fans want it

[LalafellDown]

FF14 was my first MMO somewhere during FF14 I played Guild Wars 2 and DC Universe Online along with other smaller ones. Never played FF11, but compared to GW2 they have fun fates with hundreds of people showing up. Loot drops from GW2 events fills up your inventory quick, recently I got a Ascended weapon (pink rarity) drop from a world boss. There were hundreds of people trying to kill a zombie dragon bigger than T13 Bahamut. The fight wasn't like our Boss fates or S ranks were everyone spams attack. we had objectives to complete. some people had to main the turrets and some attacked the boss and then we had to defend the cannons from giant snake monsters so that the cannons could shoot down the dragon when it took off. it was a blast. Had so much fun.

FF14 boss fate... all I got was a minon wooo, hooo


Chest in guild wars 2 are found all over the world and anything you do in that game you get loot/chest. Everyone gets their own random loot no need/greed or passing. loot drops very from gear/skins, crafting material, and receipts. Even legendary weapons from what i heard/seen on youtube can drop from a random add/chest.

was going to type more but got to go word event about to start in GW2 so... bye

[TAS]

Pretty silly we don't have any real feedback on any of this yet.
All we get is this:

"We're looking into it"
"Please look forward to it"

Funny how the majority of Questions that the Devs even answer are about contest, QoL, glamour and housing these days.... :/

Be nice if they tackled more questions like these...

[FizzleofHyperion]

Nobody wants a FFXI-2. This has been discussed so many times. Some of the people coming with thoese accusations assume by default the FFXI vets playing FFXIV would enjoy waiting 6h for something (not like que times are so much better now).

People want actual elements from FFXI. The devs are not doing anyone a favour by just adding monsters from FFXI and now they think they have done the customers who kept this game alive during 1.0 a favour.

As I've said before any many others. This game has copy pasted WoW in almost everything right now and these are the results. The casuals are getting annoyed and burned out. You know that market most of this forum assume SE is only catering to because everything else is the 10%. Seems like its 90% who want change honestly and the current 10% are beeing spoiled.

Some of things to take into considerations because they went the we want to appeal to the casual market and have the same agespan as WoW but the majority of FFXIV gamers are adults in their 23+.

1. Gears are still unpersonal with the stats etc.

2. You barely belong in Eorzea cause you spend more time in DF than the actual world. The character just feels like some sort of empty shell.

3. It would not hurt to have actual caverns/dungeons on the world map who are silly timed instances
all the time but you can get random people coming along to assist you.

4. Having the whole game on a very easy difficulty except extreme primals and savage does not seem to be OK in anyones book.

5. Weekly cap has destroyed content and has also turned this game into a ridicilous hamsterwheel where gears get outdated so quick that even if people wanted to gear up more than one main job it would still take over 10 weeks per job meaning if you played more than one main job you are screwed because by the time your gears are up to date for all classes you prefer to play they are useless again. Because the new amazing jibba jabba currency is introduced with new amazing copy pasted gears where everyone will just go crit det and accuracy with.

Thoese are just a few of the things that have been discussed in this thread. Every positive idea about horizontal progression seem to be shot down by people who honestly beleive there is nothing wrong with this and everything we are beeing fed is tasty and amazing.

Someone wrote that its like playing Tekken 7 with a Street Fighter gameplay and then you are going to tell all Tekken 7 original customers to go back and play previous Tekken games because they wanted a Tekken Game that person was spot on.

This game is not WoW and I'm getting really tired of people from WoW beeing here trying to enforce and dictate their way of gaming and their silly Toons on the rest of us because they think they know MMORPG due to this game continously reminds them of WoW.

Generation gap or not 4 years ago the players who kept this game alive and where present wanted Horizontal progression why didnt Yoshi and SE listen to these customers?

I would rather play with 1m loyal FF SE customers who want this game to stay alive for years than play with 6m people in this unpersonal current state because people will come and go because they are MMORPG jumpers who are just here because this is currently trending.

My personal opinions:

Just because people pay for a subscription they should not be allowed to everything others worked so hard for because this game has made things get outdated so quick.

Stop shaping the game after the players whining and instead just keep presenting content that will make the players adapt to FFXIV.

I have not done alot of Savage content on my main on Ragnarok but as I said before I'm ok with not getting these ridicilous handouts because we want to keep players happy.

The last 2 patches I've honestly not even cared because I knew i could catch up wth everyone else by devoting half the effort they did and I would get the same thing. Guess what? It actually worked.
How fair is that to everyone else who dedicates their time to this more than others by learning strategies or dungeon dungeons and weekly caps so often by almost giving everything for free to the next person?
Why must they be punished for this? I do say punished because its truly not fair for me to have the same stuff everyone else had to do multiple dungeons to catch up on a ilvl, relic etc
When someone could just craft me it and tada I'm there with everyone else with half the effort (this was just an example there is most likely other scenarios like this, example with increased bird mount drop etc)

Don't make me remind you guys of the HW relic disaster of how you are going to explain to people that had to do certain dungeons that would take 18-20 minutes over 30 times for a possible drop in ARR by then just making that worth 18 crystals that others could get within hours. Instead of making the weapon that people worked so hard on to grow with the character and become a truly personal item it got shut down because the "new chapter" got released wich is more a WoW thing than anything FFXI related (we can be honest here. Atleast all FFXI relics got the chance to grow stronger and was rewarding even until this day)

It would also be nice to actually get the devs and moderators of this forums attention for once and get an actual reply about these matters instead of the only time things are interesting is when someone is asking when product ex is coming as an irl merchandise because they want to be kawaii and brag about their plush doll etc on instagram or FB FFXIV groups to feed some sort of ego desire for attention.

Another food for thought: The reason why Party Finders are so empty in big heavy populated servers is because due to everything else in this game beeing so easy its easy to complete everything so fast and run out of things to do. Its not the players who are leaving etc. Everyone is still here its just nothing to do because the games formula is so predictable. Save the oh level something in order to have something to do (This arguement is so fail its not having something to do its to try and satisfy your boredom because the game fails to keep your main job interesting). Take a break comments? Most people who took breaks never came back it only shows how interesting this game truly is.

Do you guys honestly think Palace of The Dead will have such an amazing lifespan? Chances are it will die out just as diadem did because of how this game is going. Remember that diadem was supposed to be something we would do alot now its a ghost area.