I guess it's time

[Cakekizyy]

These are what players have been asking for sometime or have been expecting since 2.0 was being built. Also a lot of balancing issues/need purpose needs to be done.

Sounds like you want a different game. /downvote

[Caelum_Dragguell]

well Cakekizzy, time for me to step in. Not to be "that" guy but unless you post via an alt character (I've seen yours that you post with) I'd like to politely ask if you've seen the majority of the content this game has to offer when none of your classes have even hit 60. That indicates to me that you haven't played the game as much as others. That's not to say that you can't voice your opinion, however, based on your responses and your account, I'd say you don't fully understand the situation that veteran players as well as those who've been playing extensively face.

I assume you're a "newer" player and as such, yes the game will seem fine for the next year or two, however it is not a sustainable practice to rely solely on Newer or less dedicated players subscriptions and sales. It benefits the game as a whole to support both newcomers AND Veterans alike in the long run, hence this thread.

That said, I'm liking the discourse of this thread and that it's starting to bring up more suggestions as it goes. I went ahead and posted Beetle's list on the OP.
One thing that particularly stuck out to me for one reason that would help with the feel of dungeons

- Bring back a way to change your Job/Class within a dungeon like with 1.0 dungeons. (Will cause more players to level more jobs & learn different jobs.)

This would be cool especially if classes became somewhat less homogenized. I feel it would add a cool dynamic if there were specific areas in dungeons where you could find them
and use them to change class inside

[Velhart]

- Bring back a way to change your Job/Class within a dungeon like with 1.0 dungeons. (Will cause more players to level more jobs & learn different jobs.)

This would be cool especially if classes became somewhat less homogenized. I feel it would add a cool dynamic if there were specific areas in dungeons where you could find them
and use them to change class inside

This is something else that can be exploited easily and overall pointless. Especially with a Need > Greed loot system. I believe developers commented on this in the past also explaining the technical ordeals and the easy exploitation of it, saying it is a no go.

When people suggest something, they need to ask themselves "What would be the drawbacks to this?", "Why is this not here in the first place?", "Why do the developers have it designed like this?" The developers may be misguided, but they are not dumb. They have very specific reasons why some things are designed the way they are. Learning to understand why it is a thing first before making a suggestion or offering criticism helps prove your point a lot further.

[Yasuhiro]

Sounds like you want a different game. /downvote

He wants the game to improve and is offering suggestions, where's yours? go back to reddit with your downvotes

[Cakekizyy]

He wants the game to improve and is offering suggestions, where's yours? go back to reddit with your downvotes

Forum is not just for those that agree. Letting SE know when we don't like suggested changes has value too. I don't offer suggestions because I think game is in a good place and does 't need any shakeups.

[Lorielle]

Forum is not just for those that agree. Letting SE know when we don't like suggested changes has value too. I don't offer suggestions because I think game is in a good place and does 't need any shakeups.

I dunno...When you have a thread with numerous people stating they're unsubbing...I don't think the game is in a good state. Not even this thread. The threads about the game's direction are appearing much more frequently in comparison to how they were months or a couple years ago. To say the game is "Perfect" right now falls under the saying, "Ignorance is bliss"

[Kerii]

I dunno...When you have a thread with numerous people stating they're unsubbing...I don't think the game is in a good state. Not even this thread. The threads about the game's direction are appearing much more frequently in comparison to how they were months or a couple years ago. To say the game is "Perfect" right now falls under the saying, "Ignorance is bliss"

The amount of people who post on this forum is less than a tenth of the player base. We literally just had a loose poll a week or so back where the vast majority of respondents said they liked the game how it is, and that it only needs minor improvements to be where it should be. These threads are just echo chambers when you get down to it. Everyone who disagrees is bullied out.

Edit: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-state-of-XIV

[Lorielle]

The amount of people who post on this forum is less than a tenth of the player base. We literally just had a loose poll a week or so back where the vast majority of respondents said they liked the game how it is, and that it only needs minor improvements to be where it should be. These threads are just echo chambers when you get down to it. Everyone who disagrees is bullied out.

That doesn't really change anything I've said.

To say the game is "Perfect" right now falls under the saying, "Ignorance is bliss"

People in polls as you said say the game requires "minor improvements". Which calls for the game not being perfect. Call it technicalities if you wish, but it is the truth. You can like the game if you wish and that's fine, but even they agree there are changes that need to be made. Whether minimal or drastic is subjective.

[Kerii]

That doesn't really change anything I've said.



People in polls as you said say the game requires "minor improvements". Which calls for the game not being perfect. Call it technicalities if you wish, but it is the truth. You can like the game if you wish and that's fine, but even they agree there are changes that need to be made. Whether minimal or drastic is subjective.

Just so we're clear. Neither me or the poster you were replying to said the game was "perfect". You made that assumption.

I see this statement coming up often in the forums.
I would like to say that you are not wrong, but not 100% right.
While it's true that a big chunk of active players never post/don't care about the forum, it's also true that a lot of players silently quit without posting on the forums because they just don't care about putting some effort in a discussion because it's just easier to jump in another game.
The only feedback you can get is the posts you get on the forums, and the actual sub count (which nobody here actually knows), and I don't really trust polls since we know most of them can be easily exploited.

Anything dealing with statistics or collecting data should be taken with a grain of salt. However, the poll I've linked is comparable to the number of likes that this thread's OP received. Loosely speaking 100 people feel that the OP's view is reflective of how the game really is. We have no "dislike" button, so this creates a one sided discussion. The poll has biased options which was mentioned both on reddit and on the forum thread. Take it with a grain of salt, as I said. On the other hand, more than 500 of the 684 voters don't seem to lean towards the idea that the game is in need of a drastic overhaul. Which is precisely what I wanted to point out.

[Azrael]

The amount of people who post on this forum is less than a tenth of the player base.[/url]

I see this statement coming up often in the forums.
I would like to say that you are not wrong, but not 100% right.
While it's true that a big chunk of active players never post/don't care about the forum, it's also true that a lot of players silently quit without posting on the forums because they just don't care about putting some effort in a discussion because it's just easier to jump in another game.
The only feedback you can get is the posts you get on the forums, and the actual sub count (which nobody here actually knows), and I don't really trust polls since we know most of them can be easily exploited.