I guess it's time

[MagiusNecros]

I still see FATE parties happen and people do lv.50 dungeons all the time, it is called Lv.50 Roulette. With the relic requiring so much esoterics, that roulette is more relevant than ever, including Main Scenario roulette where you get poetics to buy more crystal sand.

You probably don't see as much FATE groups because SE has offered more options to get from 50 to 60, when the options at the launch of the expansion were pretty limited to spamming dungeons or FATE's.

As long as the deep dungeon is a decent way to earn EXP, then it will always be relevant.

Roulette is relevant because of the relic and in effect is only done once again not for EXP but grinding for more tomestones. Deep Dungeon might be helpful for EXP and for new players but it will have little use for players who do not need or care about Experience points. If we gained more bonus attribute points continuously through EXP then it would be worth it for everyone but it is not.

I think the intent of Deep Dungeon's "longevity" lies not in its rewards, but it's ability to be repeated. We have content that can't be overgeared or overlevelled (since only your Deep Dungeon levels/gear applies and you can even reset those), has randomized floors and enemy layouts to increase replayability, and offers a decent reward for quicker gearing up and (I assume) a decent amount of EXP. The clear design of goal of Deep Dungeon is for it to be fun, and not really concerned with rewards. It looks to be made as a fun side-activity where you can tackle dungeons alone or with some friends. Personally, that sounds great to me, but I have to wait and see what it's actually like in game.

I'll let you know how that goes.

[Velhart]

Roulette is relevant because of the relic and in effect is only done once again not for EXP but grinding for more tomestones. Deep Dungeon might be helpful for EXP and for new players but it will have little use for players who do not need or care about Experience points. If we gained more bonus attribute points continuously through EXP then it would be worth it for everyone but it is not.

Whenever I level from 50 to 60 on a job, I always go through lv.50 roulette, leveling roulette, trial roulette, and main scenario roulette. All give good EXP, even trial and main scenario. It is not relevant for only tomestones. That along with daily quests/hunts every day, you can get a job from lv.50 to 60 in a very short amount of time.

[MagiusNecros]

Whenever I level from 50 to 60 on a job, I always go through lv.50 roulette, leveling roulette, trial roulette, and main scenario roulette. All give good EXP, even trial and main scenario. It is not relevant for only tomestones. That along with daily quests/hunts every day, you can get a job from lv.50 to 60 in a very short amount of time.

And after EXP is a nonfactor? What then? I am asking you what incentive do people have to do them if they don't want tomestones or EXP?

I mean seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

[Velhart]

And after EXP is a nonfactor? What then? I am asking you what incentive do people have to do them if they don't want tomestones or EXP?

I mean seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

Then you don't do them. Congratulations, go do something else. Since you decided they are not relevant to you anymore, does not mean the entire population sees it as that. The main purpose of the roulette is to give you EXP, tomestones, and help fill in spots for certain piece of content people would not pick manually to do. If you do not need them anymore, then good for you. There are still thousands among thousands of players that engage in them every day because they do need it.

Let me ask, what else do you want the roulette to do?

[MagiusNecros]

Let me ask, what else do you want the roulette to do?

Offer rewards that aren't tomestones and exp, add in achievements for participating in them, give us a database of players in progress that have had dropped/kicked members and allow us to choose which one we want to join especially if there are FC members we want to help exclusively, and most importantly..."fun comes first". It shouldn't be more of a "let's get this over with quick" kind of feeling.

[Velhart]

Offer rewards that aren't tomestones and exp, add in achievements for participating in them, give us a database of players in progress that have had dropped/kicked members and allow us to choose which one we want to join especially if there are FC members we want to help exclusively, and most importantly..."fun comes first". It shouldn't be more of a "let's get this over with quick" kind of feeling.

Achievements sure (even though Mentor roulette has one). Picking an "in progress" group would be heavily exploited and potentially leave groups without ever getting a new party member.

No matter what content you do, if you do it enough per day, "fun comes first" will always lead to "let's get this over with quick". There is no amount of fun in this world that will change that.

It's called do once a day until reset, how is that all the time? Can we stop generalizing stuff here please? Thanks.

You know exactly what I mean. Don't change my sentence around to poorly attempt to make it work in your favor. If you have thousands of players engaging in lv.50 roulette at least once a day, I do not see the problem. Working as intended and I don't believe developers are trying to influence players to tread back to previous dungeons beyond EXP, tomestones, and glamour.

[MagiusNecros]

Achievements sure (even though Mentor roulette has one). Picking an "in progress" group would be heavily exploited and potentially leave groups without ever getting a new party member.

No matter what content you do, if you do it enough per day, "fun comes first" will always lead to "let's get this over with quick". There is no amount of fun in this world that will change that.

Research Facility already has this problem. And I'd rather stick with people that know how to play the game at a competent level. Build a reputation. Help others. Inspire them to do better. The Mentor system does not do that.

However if you are so narrowminded that you feel no amount of fun can change the mentality of speedrunning content for meager rewards then further discussion is pointless. After all if it isn't fun then you are doing it wrong.

[RobbieH]

You know exactly what I mean. Don't change my sentence around to poorly attempt to make it work in your favor. If you have thousands of players engaging in lv.50 roulette at least once a day, I do not see the problem.

Yes i know what you mean, and i tell you again, lvl50 dungeons are irrelevant, people might do them because FATEs are dead, but it's not something with low queue, like i said people do the roulette for daily exp and wait for reset, that's the people you see in the lvl50 dungeons, can be people doing old relic too, even new for tomes, but once they're done with relic it's dead content, therefor irrelevant.

there's absolutely no reason to do lvl50 dungeons or even 60 besides the roulette, so exciting. That's called dead content.

You can't look at how it is currently when it's relevant for tomes, when people re done with the relic the rate at which people do lvl50 dungeons will drop drastically.

Anyway player base has been declining since 2.1, people were hyped for 3.0 and there were lots of people, they saw it was the same content they left, it will keep happening until SE changes it, if they ever do.

This game doesn't even have 1m subs, most likely round 600-700k at most, and it will keep going down if things don't change.

Aquapolis died? that's news to me.

Yes it did, people gave up on it long ago, just because you and group does it doesn't mean it's alive.

One group of people or even a few doesn't represent the whole community.

[LaylaTsarra]

Whenever I level from 50 to 60 on a job, I always go through lv.50 roulette, leveling roulette, trial roulette, and main scenario roulette. All give good EXP, even trial and main scenario. It is not relevant for only tomestones. That along with daily quests/hunts every day, you can get a job from lv.50 to 60 in a very short amount of time.

I've leveled a few roles and yes this is what i do. I use all the roulettes to level my character/job. I also use dungeons and rely little on fates. Fates don't do much to teach you your job.