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    Why...

    I've read every page of this thread, and it has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever seen.

    Having a history of hardcore gameplay in MMO's such as EQ, FFXI, and even WoW, I can clearly see who's doing this complaining. It's the 8 hours a day players who are looking for this "deeper more involved content" here.

    First off, Iromi, I could go back and actually quote your old posts, but I don't really feel like it. In this thread alone you've explained how you've done everything in this game. All while attending college full time and working full time along side a boyfriend who allegedly has the same responsibilities as you. Let's be clear here, there's no need to lie about your out of game activitites.. just be honest. you have played A LOT of FFXIV and have done it all, and that's fine. There's no need to make it sound like the game is SO EASY that ANYONE with a few hours and some determination can complete everything. They can't. So, yea.

    Back to the topic at hand... There are many, like myself, who have done the hardcore. For people like myself, the middle of the road difficulty or even outright easy difficulty for some content works just fine. I'm offered enough challenge to keep myself interested (Nidhogg, Mcach), and enough busy work to enjoy myself until the next 3.x. This game, from what I can tell, was never meant to be your FFXI. It's not meant to be your WoW, It's certainly not meant to be your EQ. it's FFXIV:ARR, and it's trying to fit it's own niche.

    It has content for crafters, gatherers, RPers, Casuals, Hardcores, and those inbetween. It has an involved FF story arc, and it requires you complete it. It tries to cater mostly to people like myself - those that love FF and are happy to play in a Theme Park MMO that idolizes it. It's supposed to be accessible. It's SUPPOSED to be doable.

    If the developers wanted to cater to those hardcores that want to feel like their time was valued, they likely would have already. It's been years thus far. They haven't. Hardcores are given some content that they do complete. To ask them to fundamentally change the game (ilvl jumps, stat distribution, and / or item effects for longevity)so you can feel special is futile.

    In short, that's what not what FFXIV:ARR was ever supposed to be. You had some fun in 2.0 and up, there was content there that made you feel special. I'm sorry if you don't today and are tired of the formula. If you're looking for games that have what you want, then listen to what other people say - PLAY THOSE GAMES! They exist BTW. Try some Dark Souls for difficulty. Maybe play EVE online, with unrelenting and punishing space piracy and cutthroat PvP. You could play WoW for your raid focus content... or even go back to the old games, like FFXI or even emulated old school EQ.

    Don't try to change FFXIV to something it was never intended to be. It will never work.
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  2. #452
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt View Post
    Zosia, if the functionality of your idea is saying that the best players having the best gear as a reward for being the best is obtuse, I feel you are creating an inflated argument to counter a valid point. The upgrade item for the Lore weapon dropped in A7S. So you'd argue that players who did not have equivalent time and skill may also have been occluded from acquiring that weapon, correct? All right. Then, the i230 Lore weapon and i230 Anima existed. The "best" weapons were locked behind content considered by many to be too difficult. Therefore the items there intrinsically have more value. What I did was use less words to explain a point. But I can be functionally condescending, too. I just choose to do it in less characters.
    no, I was saying you were acting obtuse because you threw out march 10 like every raider was showered with rewards that day. Most raiders in this game are easily 1-3 months behind world 1st groups. Even citing march 10th as something that addresses the majority of the raiding community, or whats left of it, is being obtuse.

    If you want to speak on functunality, functionally, most raiders don't clear content at the same pace of world first raiders. Functionally, mentioning march 10th is pointless.

    Lastly, the only reward that stands out from midas is the raid weapon. So, no, I was not talking about a7s.

    To further expound on your point that Extreme Trials should drop BiS rings and other accessories, let's use your aforementioned skill gate. Not everyone is good enough to beat that content. Smaller population servers are sometimes even further at a detriment due to condensation of skill to particular groups of players, and while that is somewhat being addressed through the Raid Finder function SE just implemented, it would still point to your big gripe that my point about being better and obtaining said best items is "obtuse." See how you literally just used a bunch of words to make the same point I made while trying to inflate your argument while being needlessly inflammatory? Great. The thing is, there is best gear in the game. And the sooner you obtain it, the longer it lasts. That's an empirical fact.
    Just because there will be players that can't do it, does not mean that adding raid ilvl accessories would not be a good idea. If anything, putting more low hanging fruit in the raid end game will encourage more active participation in challenging fights.

    If your point is "there is a skill gate so it would be a bad idea", then I disagree with your point. It worked great for the first three EX primals and it would work great again with any trial.

    As for that "emprical fact" how about we look at progression functionally rather than using world first groups as your standard. Functionally, raid rewards are poor when most raiders don't get a full clear of the raid until after that catch up patch drops. IE most midas clear came around the time the latest patch was about to come out or a little after it came out.

    We now have access to the i240 Anima, which can be grinded out through esos and about ten different methods for obtaining sands, the i240 Lore, upgradable through weekly rewards from the Mhach and Void Ark Raid, and through the use of Allied Seals which are those open world hunts I've been hearing so much about.
    Which only serves to highlight how pointless investing in any of these activities seems. Functionally, all the rewards in this game are so standardized that nothing feels rewarding anymore. Got a 240 weapon? Big woop, just wait utnil the next patch when you can get a free 250 weapon. Got a 240 BiS chest piece from a8s? No worries, in 2.4 there will be a crafted chest that replaces it immediately even before the new alex progression starts.

    They did release the highest ilvl in 3.2. It was locked behind the hardest content in the game. If you can't beat it, then you have to wait until they alleviate it with separate solutions, which they did in 3.3 with the tokens I'm casual content. If you weren't Raiding Savage, you've had either your i230 Lore weapon, your i230 Anima weapon, the i220 Sephirot, or the i210 Eso. Depending on which, I'd say that speaks to some longevity.
    Nope, I don't have to do any of that, I got my gear, It was unsatisfying. The only thing I am missing is my midan weapon, which is what? A 4% performance gain on average? WHOOO HOOO can't wait to take that 4% performance upgrade and watch it get thrown into the garbage when Midas BiS is obliterated by the next set of crafted battle class gear.

    This game has been unsatisfying, and as I said earlier in this thread, I am done subbing to this game. Keep defending the status quo, the last handful of you will really enjoy yourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klongol View Post
    I've read every page of this thread, and it has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever seen.

    Having a history of hardcore gameplay in MMO's such as EQ, FFXI, and even WoW, I can clearly see who's doing this complaining. It's the 8 hours a day players who are looking for this "deeper more involved content" here.

    First off, Iromi, I could go back and actually quote your old posts, but I don't really feel like it. In this thread alone you've explained how you've done everything in this game. All while attending college full time and working full time along side a boyfriend who allegedly has the same responsibilities as you. Let's be clear here, there's no need to lie about your out of game activitites.. just be honest. you have played A LOT of FFXIV and have done it all, and that's fine. There's no need to make it sound like the game is SO EASY that ANYONE with a few hours and some determination can complete everything. They can't. So, yea.

    Back to the topic at hand... There are many, like myself, who have done the hardcore. For people like myself, the middle of the road difficulty or even outright easy difficulty for some content works just fine. I'm offered enough challenge to keep myself interested (Nidhogg, Mcach), and enough busy work to enjoy myself until the next 3.x. This game, from what I can tell, was never meant to be your FFXI. It's not meant to be your WoW, It's certainly not meant to be your EQ. it's FFXIV:ARR, and it's trying to fit it's own niche.

    It has content for crafters, gatherers, RPers, Casuals, Hardcores, and those inbetween. It has an involved FF story arc, and it requires you complete it. It tries to cater mostly to people like myself - those that love FF and are happy to play in a Theme Park MMO that idolizes it. It's supposed to be accessible. It's SUPPOSED to be doable.
    You don't have to play this game 8 hrs a day to stay current, at all. You are generating this imaginary raider to plop your argument on top of and it's just not the reality of the situation. And no, there is no content offered to players that are between hardcore and casual, none. There is no real midtier end game. There is just an amalgamation of fights (midas) where the progression curve started off bimodal with an exponential tail. The content is this game either flops or is old after a month of play. The only staying power is in the savage raid which is poorly supported. SE seems to have zero ability to foster a raiding comminity in this game, you only need to look at your average server to get an idea of how poorly raiding is doing in this game.

    If the developers wanted to cater to those hardcores that want to feel like their time was valued, they likely would have already. It's been years thus far. They haven't. Hardcores are given some content that they do complete. To ask them to fundamentally change the game (ilvl jumps, stat distribution, and / or item effects for longevity)so you can feel special is futile.
    and that's why hardcore players have been leaving the game in droves since heavenward. Don't worry, we got the hint, we are headed to greener pastures, you guys can have this glamour RP hello kitty grind fest of an MMO>

    In short, that's what not what FFXIV:ARR was ever supposed to be. You had some fun in 2.0 and up, there was content there that made you feel special. I'm sorry if you don't today and are tired of the formula. If you're looking for games that have what you want, then listen to what other people say - PLAY THOSE GAMES! They exist BTW. Try some Dark Souls for difficulty. Maybe play EVE online, with unrelenting and punishing space piracy and cutthroat PvP. You could play WoW for your raid focus content... or even go back to the old games, like FFXI or even emulated old school EQ.

    Don't try to change FFXIV to something it was never intended to be. It will never work.
    The forums exist for players to provide feedback. That's whats happening here. Don't try to change the purpose of the forums only to say not the change the game. Makes you come off as a hypocrite.
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  3. #453
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    FFXIV 1.0 went out extremely quickly cause of Wada which is, luckily, gone.
    Terrible servers and the PS3-oriented UI interface aside, I'd never trade 1.0 for ARR. FFXIV 1.0 was the spiritual successor of FFXI everyone been part of that game was waiting for, with one of the greatest OST ever, killed by the server lag and the CEO itself. The feeling of adventure the game had, the feeling of battle and the overall quality gap between 1.0 and ARR is just too huge.
    All the people do in ARR is glamour, there's no point for the rest. And yes I am a raider in A8S. I keep raiding because it's the very small hardcore side of the game which gives us basically almost zero rewards.
    This. XIV feels like a glamour infested game now. I mean ffs...we are getting PET GLAMOUR. Not real pets with different abilities, a perfect chance to add some depth. Naw...why do that we can just have glamour.
    I actually saw someone suggest BLM spell glamour in another thread....its just really sad lol.

    There is 0 open world group content and nothing to explore, world never feels dangerous and there is no need for groups. Its all enter dungeon > get your tomes/gear with same stats with a higher number > leave.

    Then we have dailies..which feels like a chore list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klongol View Post
    First off, Iromi, I could go back and actually quote your old posts, but I don't really feel like it. In this thread alone you've explained how you've done everything in this game. All while attending college full time and working full time along side a boyfriend who allegedly has the same responsibilities as you. Let's be clear here, there's no need to lie about your out of game activitites.. just be honest. you have played A LOT of FFXIV and have done it all, and that's fine. There's no need to make it sound like the game is SO EASY that ANYONE with a few hours and some determination can complete everything. They can't. So, yea.

    Edit: ROFL LIE ABOUT MY OUTSIDE GAME ACTIVITIES?? LOL!!! You are saying my BF does not attend NYU Tandon..and I am not an actor...OMG LOL TOO FUNNY!!! What shall I do, post his student ID...hahahah! Post my acting resume with my phone # and address and head shot? omggg I am dying here. You know me SOOO well and know me IRL and totes know I am lying! omg I got to show my friends this they are going to die..just when I said..enough is enough with being called names, accused of stuff and bullied...now apparently I am lying about my IRL.

    Let me make it priority number one to prove to some random dude on the internet my real life activities. But its okay, I am used to hate, I am used to this kind of treatment..lol. May you show me proof that you know my BF IRL name and mine and that I have never been on off broadway plays here in NYC, commercials, and such? And how he is not attending NYU tandon..and our game activity..oh man..these people on these forums..smh.
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  4. #454
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    I agree but also don't think Uematsu is the kinda guy that would slave over the music remix table for each patch of the game. I do think they should get Uematsu to make more tracks though for the game. I think they aren't because they want the young guy to have a music career & maybe there is some kinda music rights ownership on how they are selling the music discs.
    Thing is Yoshi-P is an ENIX man, not Squaresoft.
    Hiromichi Tanaka (FFXI and XIV 1.0 director) was part of Squaresoft in the golden age, reason why we had Uematsu for FFXIV itself, they were preserving the original team.

    And yeah, Uematsu should work on the whole OST (4.0). I hope he will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klongol View Post
    I've read every page of this thread, and it has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever seen.
    What? I play less than that. I find more RP players playing more than me per day, just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klongol View Post
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    Hello, please post with your main if you must, because right now I can't take you seriously with the character you posted saying you did hardcore and that you cleared nidhogg EX with that character, thanks.
    If you are a new FFXIV player instead, I can see why you don't see the issues.
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  7. #457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iromi View Post
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    Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    Thing is Yoshi-P is an ENIX man, not Squaresoft.
    Hiromichi Tanaka (FFXI and XIV 1.0 director) was part of Squaresoft in the golden age, reason why we had Uematsu for FFXIV itself, they were preserving the original team.

    And yeah, Uematsu should work on the whole OST (4.0). I hope he will.
    Tanka was one of the founders/been there since day one as a young adult. Think sometime after the first 2 FF's he was the director for FF3.

    Be nice if he joined Mistwalker & they actually got around to making a game good as FF. Lost Odd is nice but I hate xbox XD.
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  9. #459
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)
    Oh I am not sure which quote you quoted me in..but yes he says that a lot. Risk taking is not something we do much around here >.> I remember what happened in Seekers..that was not good. Like I said, I enjoyed XI but even I can admit it had its downfalls..for sure. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetle View Post
    Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)
    Final Fantasy: A lord of the rings online reborn!

    I would bet money that raids, as we know them from 2.xx, will no longer be a thing sometime in 4.xx

    I wonder how many times I said this game would turn into a AAA lotro.
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