I guess it's time

[Judah_Brandt]

This.
And honestly, FFXIV 1.0 had the art and the music on its side, at least, which we both lost in ARR (few tracks such Dragonsong by Uematsu aside).

I can't believe I just read that. And I know I said I wasn't going to reply, but I'll exit and just leave this here for you guys that apparently don't recall 1.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Wz-dKGifM

[Iromi]

I can't believe I just read that. And I know I said I wasn't going to reply, but I'll exit and just leave this here for you guys that apparently don't recall 1.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Wz-dKGifM

Sigh..you never give up do you? 1.x was a fun game.. aside from the bad server lag/coding it was not that bad and was getting fun.

1.0 YES that was launched with nothing..but when Yoshida took over and Tanaka was still at SE advising stuff and they had the XI dev team..1.23 was a lovely game. I myself started playing 1.0 launch...there was nothing to do so I stopped playing. When I saw the Ifrit patch I thought it looked amazing..1.19, I came back and was having fun every day till the servers went down.

Then 2.0 launched and I see they totally changed the battle system, all my hard earned relic stats were gone, and worst of all my earring from Van Darnus fight was garbage. That was the day nearly all my 1.x friends quit. They went back to XI and have been there ever since.

Yeah i'm pretty much done with this game myself. Has nothing new to offer but the same old grind. I can't even make anymore friends in this cus they all have left because of the same reasons the OP said. I called it at release of 2.0 that the game wasn't complex enough to keep players interested in playing for long periods. Patches didn't have enough content cus players we're clearing it too fast cus it wasn't complex enough.

Its quite clear that they aren't working on the patches on the game as much as they should be, but instead investing all their man power on working on getting the next expansion pack out each year. Most of there fans come from XI and they basically toss them to the side. (We stayed around 1.0 so you guys would still have jobs to make ARR.)

I agree..I am in the same spot. Like I mentioned in another thread..my main account is only subbed because my friends are paying for it and I am helping them fill a raid spot for now. I can't bring myself to continue to support this game which offers the same old system, same patches reskinned. I want to say it'll turn out good or get better but who am I kidding, we are 3 years in now and nothing really has changed at all. All my 1.x friends left so... ._.

[Beetle]

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Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)

[Iromi]

Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)

Oh I am not sure which quote you quoted me in..but yes he says that a lot. Risk taking is not something we do much around here >.> I remember what happened in Seekers..that was not good. Like I said, I enjoyed XI but even I can admit it had its downfalls..for sure. ^^

[zosia]

Yoshi said that they aren't willing to take that kinda risk to change the game. Whats gonna happen is the player that raid will all leave and they will get rid of savage to cater to there only player base. Kinda like what happened with XI Seekers of Adoulin, Players left for XIV and noone could do raids so they added NPC party members instead of fixing the main problem. (A better graphical FF has came out, its time for you to upgrade your graphics.)

Final Fantasy: A lord of the rings online reborn!

I would bet money that raids, as we know them from 2.xx, will no longer be a thing sometime in 4.xx

I wonder how many times I said this game would turn into a AAA lotro.

[Iromi]

Final Fantasy: A lord of the rings online reborn!

I would bet money that raids, as we know them from 2.xx, will no longer be a thing sometime in 4.xx

I wonder how many times I said this game would turn into a AAA lotro.

Oh ya I've seen plenty of people say they feel the game is going in that direction. I agree. I played Lotro also and am getting a similar vibe..lol

After having 0 hype for 4.0 due to all the um..unfulfilled promises from 3.0 , can't say I really care. When 4.0 is released I will read the patch notes and decide if I am playing then :x

[Kerii]

...unfulfilled promises from 3.0...

I feel like the real problem with 3.0 is that they hyped it up too much. "We want players to feel like it's a whole new game." However, that choice of words didn't reflect what we got. We got a slightly better version of 2.0. What SE has a problem with right now is execution. They have lofty goals of what the game "should be", but they've stopped factoring how players really are, and that's killed the game this expansion. Maybe 4.0 will be better, maybe it won't. In either event, I believe many people have your attitude. "I'll wait and see what they do, and if I don't like it I'm gone." That is the right attitude to have, but maybe we, as a community, are setting the game up for a big failure if the developers can't get their execution right out of the gate for this one.

[Iromi]

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Yup, basically! They hyped it up too much and went way over the top..so when it came out it just didn't add up. That is the exact approach I am taking, maybe it will be good maybe not, and yeap...as of right now I am pretty uninterested in the direction the game is going so what more can I say If they hear us they hear us..if not then so be it!

Problem isn't just with hardcore its everything. What good is content if you complete 90% of the patch in 3 days and have nothing else to do for 3 months? Your suggestion is to unsub and play something else? Good idea.

Yeap, suggesting people to unsub is a great idea *sarcasm* haha. Eventually we will have no one left lol. Cuz as I said earlier..people unsub and they dont come back :x Once the influx of new people runs out (and it will) then we will see...I've already seen a steady decline in subs from the lucky bancho thing on reddit, not saying omagad gaem dying!!! But..last time he took it there a 100k drop, and even more so massive drop in who completed the story. Only 300k people completed the 3.2 story (I think that was last time he took it)

[RiceisNice]

I feel like the real problem with 3.0 is that they hyped it up too much.

This is the big thing for me as well. With things like new jobs (in comparison to the fact that we got ninja during the 2.x series), MCH (and by the same context, BRD) feels like a shell-out of what htye had intially previewed. FC crafting is anything but, and in general the expansion itself hasn't set a lot of framework that allows for better implementation. Airship exploration has been beaten enough, we still don't have much of FC activties, and things like summoner glamours and GC rank expansions have been put in back burners for quite a while now (looking at 3.4 which is over half the expansion's timeframe)

[Fumijj_Gah]

I can't believe I just read that. And I know I said I wasn't going to reply, but I'll exit and just leave this here for you guys that apparently don't recall 1.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Wz-dKGifM

FFXIV 1.0 went out extremely quickly cause of Wada who is, luckily, gone.
Terrible servers and the PS3-oriented UI interface aside, I'd never trade 1.0 for ARR. FFXIV 1.0 was the spiritual successor of FFXI everyone been part of that game was waiting for, with one of the greatest OST ever, killed by the server lag and the CEO itself. The feeling of adventure the game had, the feeling of battle and the overall quality gap between 1.0 and ARR is just too huge.
All the people do in ARR is glamour, there's no point for the rest. And yes I am a raider in A8S. I keep raiding because it's the very small hardcore side of the game which gives us basically almost zero rewards.