I guess it's time

[RLofOBFL]

This is the minority.

This post concerning everyone has 50k views & has been up for 3 weeks.

The thread concerning EU only has 57K views & has been up for 1 day & half the responses.

And while I would like change to the same repeated formula, it seems a lot of the posts are watered down to "I want 14 to be 11 or I want 14 to be 14 1.0" drowing out the actual productive posts somewhere in this mess.

At this point it's become less helping the game & more just hating that it exists yet maintaining your sub & playing everyday contradicting what you say....

[Mimilu]

This post concerning everyone has 50k views & has been up for 3 weeks.
The thread concerning EU only has 57K views & has been up for 1 day & half the responses.

Or, you know, people are flipping out because:
A) People want the maid/butler outfits and mount the two other servers have already had access to.
B) Only people in countries that get a UK-based Gaming Magazine can get said items.
C) The items are spread out through 3-months, versus the almost-instantaneous methods the JP and NA servers had.
D) The only way to get the mount is to submit a picture of yourself with the three issues of the magazine you purchased.

Oh yeah, this forum and that forum are totally dealing with the same issue... σwσ
/sarcasm

Plus, people aren't saying they want XIV to become XI-2 (even though it kind of is, technically) or to go back to how it was during 1.x, they just want some of the depth and longevity that they felt those games had.

[Thayos]

Edit: by the by the 3.2 numbers were 650K

Yeah, recent estimates have actually shown a pretty strong playerbase.

This isn't the only place where I see more hardcore-style players complaining about the game being in a decline. But to see things from their perspective, they're probably confronted with the difficulty and frustration of trying to maintain raid statics in what could very well be a dwindling raiding scene.

But if that's the case, then that just shows why content like Deep Dungeons is so important for the game's longevity. Most of the game's players aren't raiders and may never do the cutting-edge raids and extreme primals. This game needs content that's more in tune with its average player.

[Thayos]

May I ask where you got those numbers? They are hardly believable

I don't have the link, but someone on reddit mined Lodestone using various criteria to gauge active players. It was very reasonable. And yes, pretty sure those numbers included the JP and EU playerbases. But not China.

[Thayos]

BTW, here is the recent playerbase survey link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...l_census_time/

Estimates roughly 641k active players.

228k JP, 290k NA and 122k EU.

Data was gathered over a three-week period. The reddit community is pretty nitpicky about how these reports are gathered and the findings of this one were widely accepted as legit.

[RobbieH]

BTW, here is the recent playerbase survey link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...l_census_time/

Estimates roughly 641k active players.

Not accurate, those are the unique logins, you got the 641k from a comment, why did you decide to skip the amount of people who clear each patch is beyond me.

Cleared 3.0: 356,061 (55%)
Cleared 3.1: 311,806 (48%)
Cleared 3.2: 263,604 (41%)

Those are the real numbers, do you see the decline? Yeah.

641k and only 356k cleared 3.0, which translates i suppose in clearing story mode which is pretty much needed to do anything.

Not to mention those 641k also include bots.

[odintius]

BTW, here is the recent playerbase survey link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...l_census_time/

Estimates roughly 641k active players.

Ummm did this include all my 4 alts and other people who might have alt or for that matter bots/ rmts I'm mean were playing a numbers game now it seems.

[Iromi]

Ummm did this include all my 4 alts and other people who might have alt or for that matter bots/ rmts I'm mean were playing a numbers game now it seems.

Yea I'd estimate that # to be way lower. Between my BF and I we have over 16 alts alone.

[Alaltus]

Yea but difference is while one was down I could do another..easily. In XIV I can do all this crap in a few hours or less and I am done for the week. All those events also could take hours.

Dynamis - 3 hours at least.
Assaults - Depending on how long it takes you to gather people, actually go do it and go back and get tags, etc could take hours again
JP midnight? Yea..have to wait, can go do something else
Fish..I never fished, was too busy doing other stuff so I could care less
Campaign medal..yea that is fine, you also had to EARN it within those 5 days
Salvage? That also took hours. Again..an actual Linkshell event and group content. Pray tell me how much FC content this game has after being out for 3 years..0 lol. Also Salvage was 3 days a week.
You forgot Nyzul Isle also...
Limbus - That as well could take anywhere from 1-3 hours depending on gathering, which one you do to and who needed what card..again, took plenty of time to occupy me.
As for the key items..np, I can do one of the many, many things XI had to offer.

You also forgot farming pops in sea/sky and other stuff to do...none of that is in this game, not even close :/

So I must disagree :P in XIV I can cap tomes in a couple hours, I can cap my red scripts in 1.5hr, I can go into weeping city, clear it once in 1hr or so and get my drop, never have to go back in for the week.

Oh and don't get me started on the raiding in this game, beat it once and that's it for the week. My group used to have coil on farm when we cared about the raids and could do the whole thing in 1.5 hr or less on reset day. Rest of the week is good for idling in the yard chatting about nonsense..sounds fun.

And the daily lockouts are tidous chore list stuff thats designed to incentivise you to keep logging in everyday. Eventually it just makes you resent logging in at all because the chore list has become negative reinforcement.

[Thayos]

you got the 641k from a comment

Nope, I got it by adding, LOL. If you know how to use Excel, then plugging in data is much faster (and more reliable) than sifting through comments.

Cleared 3.0: 356,061 (55%)
Cleared 3.1: 311,806 (48%)
Cleared 3.2: 263,604 (41%)

Those are the real numbers, do you see the decline? Yeah.

What???

Those numbers have nothing to do with active subscribers/players. Those numbers only show who has completed up to certain points in the storyline. If you look back to last year, you'll find similar numbers of people who'd completed the 2.x storyline going into Heavensward. And the population then was quite healthy, too.

why did you decide to skip the amount of people who clear each patch is beyond me.

Because that's arbitrary and not related to what the rest of us are talking about.

Why are you trying so hard to distract from the population numbers? It's not like you were the one who said only 200k people are playing this game.

And to RLofOBFL: I don't think the population has declined that significantly over the past two months, especially considering that we've had a patch since then. Also, people who take breaks don't always cancel their subs. I bet the game has around 550k-650k active subs right now, just based on the most recent data and the fact we're not too far from an update (and Deep Dungeons coming in a week).

NOTE... the reddit survey probably didn't even account for inactive players who haven't cancelled their subs. So the actual subscriber numbers would have been above 640k.