I guess it's time

[Deathgiver]

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

Because not everyone actually thought xi was better? I absolutely hated the combat system, the pace and the fact that everything in the game is obfuscated. I'm not alone in that, I even know people that played it for years that feel the same way.

[Vantol]

Because not everyone actually thought xi was better? I absolutely hated the combat system, the pace and the fact that everything in the game is obfuscated. I'm not alone in that, I even know people that played it for years that feel the same way.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

[Deathgiver]

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

[Vantol]

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

Because this game is not true FFXIV. Not what we have been promised by Tanaka and then by Yoshida. Not the salvation we were seeking for.

After all this betrayal we just want to get what we deserve, and that's all.

[Velhart]

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

And here we have our prime example. Also, really bad analogy.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Uhmm, shouldn't this be the other way around? We are fine with the game(for the most part), you are the one wanting it to be something it isn't. Maybe time for you to move on?

[Moomba33]

By all accounts XI and XIV appeal to different audiences.
I personally had no interest in XI since from what I read it sounded tedious and that it took ages to make any progress.

I'd rather that XIV stay the way it is with quick and frequent upgrades. I certainly wouldn't be happy with using the same equipment for years on end or spending months farming for one piece.

[Kallera]

By all accounts XI and XIV appeal to different audiences.
I personally had no interest in XI since from what I read it sounded tedious and that it took ages to make any progress.

I'd rather that XIV stay the way it is with quick and frequent upgrades. I certainly wouldn't be happy with using the same equipment for years on end or spending months farming for one piece.

im sick of doing the same runs over and over with different backdrops, that to me, is tedious.

I'm also not a fan of one hit kos, but I guess repetitive death and judgemental parties is what all the kids are into these days.

But since we are at the blanket generalizations stage of this thread, let me say that these are not recent complaints, they've just been gettting louder and louder as the game boils down into the same thing patch after patch and people in both the hardcore and casual camps have noticed it. They cannot all be FFXI fans.

[KitingGenbu]

Honestly, XI wasn't that great unless you were playing on pc and many people can probably conclude why without me explaining. It does have a degree of depth that this game and many MMORPGs on the market do not have, such as the merit and job point system, persistent rewards (relics/mythics/etc), and flexible classes that weren't neatly packed into a little category. There are several ways to improve the game slowly without altering content much but the excuses given by the 'devs' (I use it that way since everything is translated anyway so no one can really say if they are understanding everything or responding accurately or not) is a bit amateurish. Prime example is set bonuses for gear that they did for a while with free company gear. They could easily make it so that having x number of a set equipped gives a bonus, but their excuses have been "balancing issues" etc.


These threads honestly wont get any changes going, especially if many of the people posting are 'adults' then it should be known that companies dont respond to complaints/threats/suggestions etc but actual money loss. Its already been hypothiesized that the JP population is about twice the size of the NA/EU population. Assuming that is true, unless they complain chances are nothing will happen. Plus its easier for devs to give and get accurate feed back since its their native tongue and not having to wait on translators like they have to do for other regions. People wanting the game to drastically change into something like XI have a better chance or repopulating that game versus trying to change this one.

[Caelum_Dragguell]

So here's my issue with this senseless arguing.

Why not just allow this to be a brainstorming thread, instead of bickering back and forth creating bad analogies and throwing around fancy words while riding a high horse. If you don't think there's anything wrong with the game, then don't be on this thread, simple as that, your arguments will be ignored by most people in here as they feel differently. Agree to disagree.

Suggest your ideas whether logical or illogical. Similar to how IDEAS WORK, If you throw out enough ideas eventually one will catch your eye and you'll think, "yeah, yeah that will work, let's try working with that".

So let's stop white knighting and arguing against ideas being posted and instead focus on actual thought and progress, because to be honest there was a period on this thread where I was happy with what I was seeing. Enough of this "you're wrong" => "No you're wrong " bull.

If you very specifically want to disagree then I would like a few things followed with the disagreement; Source of proof, Date, and the Game.
If you wish to make an alternative point, then do so instead of being condescending of another fellow player.

Now I should state where I lie in this debate. I'm on the side of adding things like set bonuses, tweaking classes to reduce homogenization, revamping diadem to be more alive and fun etc etc... I also believe that the rewards in this game aren't sufficient for many and that if the rewards are going to stay the same then the content should be more varied and appealing to longtime players. It's not healthy for a game to rely solely on newcomers or newer players while alienating its veterans. That's a good way to get little to no recommendations and little to no praise.

P.S. If you couldn't tell by my change of tone I'm annoyed by people acting like they're better than others and that their opinions are more important (applies to all sides of this). Let bygones be bygones.

No one is right, No one is wrong.
OPINION'S ARE OPINION'S.

[Moomba33]

So here's my issue with this senseless arguing.
......

No one is right, No one is wrong.
OPINION'S ARE OPINION'S.

I'm not trying to say that my opinion is better or that yours is wrong.
I'm simply providing my own feedback for the game.
Suggestions are all well and good but the developers need to know both the amount of support and the amount of opposition for new ideas and changes to know if they're worth trying to implement.