I guess it's time

[Azrael]

No one is forcing anyone . The variations are there is YOUR choice to pick or don't pick. But don't come around to tell me that the game is repetitive and "boring" when a lot of us STILL enjoy the game to the max (doing EVERYTHING I can and PROVIDED by the game)

The game is not lacking. Remember this is MMO.

In fact nobody is telling you this game is boring.
This is a complaint thread to the devs about what people find boring in the game, you are the one that joined it so get ready to have people disagree with what you say. Everything I had to say I already did in the previous posts not gonna answer you again.

[zosia]

No one is forcing anyone . The variations are there is YOUR choice to pick or don't pick. But don't come around to tell me that the game is repetitive and "boring" when a lot of us STILL enjoy the game to the max (doing EVERYTHING I can and PROVIDED by the game)

The game is not lacking. Remember this is MMO.

No one told you anything. You came into this thread of your own volition. You are the only one keeping yourself here and replying. If you don't like complaints about this game, the door is over there bud, just close the tab.

[Yasuhiro]

No one is forcing anyone . The variations are there is YOUR choice to pick or don't pick. But don't come around to tell me that the game is repetitive and "boring" when a lot of us STILL enjoy the game to the max (doing EVERYTHING I can and PROVIDED by the game)

The game is not lacking. Remember this is MMO.

You're literally telling people to stop playing if they haven't ticked off everything on your silly check list, what's up with that anyway? People aren't going to enjoy stuff, and yeah it is an MMO. Doesn't mean people have to like everything, no, I'll continue suggesting ways to keep the content I like enjoyable while I play other games, thank you.

[loreleidiangelo]

You're literally telling people to stop playing if they don't enjoy some of the content. What is with people here telling others to stop playing for suggesting stuff, seriously?

Most of the suggestions I've seen have involved DRASTICALLY changing this game's methods of gear acquisition and overall progression formula. If I saw suggestions that worked with SE's current accessibility model, I wouldn't really have an issue, but a lot of them are in the vein of, "people who play more/are better at the game should be leaps ahead of those who can't/won't do those things", which I don't think is healthy for the game population.

[zosia]

You're literally telling people to stop playing if they don't enjoy some of the content. What is with people here telling others to stop playing for suggesting stuff, seriously?

That's why most serious topics are r/ffxiv or bust. It's impossible to actually talk with people here. Why kind of crazy advice is it to come on the OF forums, a place of feedback, and tell people providing feedback that if they have a problem with the game that they should not play?

These forums are just for /popcorn

[Mature]

You're literally telling people to stop playing if they don't enjoy some of the content. What is with people here telling others to stop playing for suggesting stuff, seriously?

If I get bored of the game I move on and play something else don't complain about it. Have a good day.

[Yasuhiro]

If I get bored of the game I move on and play something else don't complain about it. Have a good day.

Which is what I said in my post. I'm done, again, no more passive aggressive check lists please. Enjoy your dead game in a couple of years because instead of telling people to suggest things that need improvement you'd rather they unsub. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Judah_Brandt]

Quick question for the person who said they want their weapons and equipment to remain relevant "longer than one month before being replaced by a tome weapon." So if Alexander Midas 4 Savage was cleared on March 10th, and it drops an i240 weapon, and it is now July..... Did the max ilvl change and I'm completely oblivious to it??? Oh wait, it didn't. Which would mean *gasp* that people have had a weapon that's lasted them for three months so far! And if the next weapon ilvl increase is, say, 3.4, would that mean that the effective longevity of these items is actually relevant? How long do you really want to use the same sword. Really. Honestly.

I'll sum up what I've seen about weapons so far in this thread:

Lore: Too much Grinding!

Midan: Too much Work!

Anima: Too much Grinding, too much Work!

So the effective solution that the majority has been clamouring for here is to add Notorious Monsters from FFXI, and make them drop an RNG based weapon. Which is just more grinding or more work. At worst, you'd have people camping it and creating a toxic environment like they did in XI. At best, everyone gets credit and the new endgame is standing around in the woods until X monster pops and killing it. What a diverse endgame content solution you have, pure genius. These ideas suck.

[zosia]

Quick question for the person who said they want their weapons and equipment to remain relevant "longer than one month before being replaced by a tome weapon." So if Alexander Midas 4 Savage was cleared on March 10th, and it drops an i240 weapon, and it is now July..... Did the max ilvl change and I'm completely oblivious to it??? Oh wait, it didn't. Which would mean *gasp* that people have had a weapon that's lasted them for three months so far! And if the next weapon ilvl increase is, say, 3.4, would that mean that the effective longevity of these items is actually relevant? How long do you really want to use the same sword. Really. Honestly.
I'll sum up what I've seen about weapons so far in this thread:

Lore: Too much Grinding!

Midan: Too much Work!

Anima: Too much Grinding, too much Work!

So the effective solution that the majority has been clamouring for here is to add Notorious Monsters from FFXI, and make them drop an RNG based weapon. Which is just more grinding or more work. At worst, you'd have people camping it and creating a toxic environment like they did in XI. At best, everyone gets credit and the new endgame is standing around in the woods until X monster pops and killing it. What a diverse endgame content solution you have, pure genius. These ideas suck.

or you can stop being obtuse and look at the reality of the situation that all raiders don't have midas 4s down march 10th. Great, like 5 groups in the world get 1 reward item that lasts longer than a few months. Your point falls apart when you look at the rest of the gear slots. Your point falls apart once you accept that every raid group =/= world first progression. Your point falls apart when even non-raid gear, such as the relic, is trivialized within a month of obtaining it. Your point is so absurd, you only have to look at niddhog ex to see that rewards are just totally out of whack in this game. Why didn't niddhog ex drop a set of 240 rings? Why are half of our trials in this game offering subpar subraid ilvl loot rewards? Please, go back and reconsider your point. Painting with such broad and general strokes comes off as ignorant and insensitive, and that is the last thing this flailing game needs.

There is more depth to these arguments than your simple straw manning of everyone points here. People want rewards to feel rewarding. People want rewards to last longer than three months. I am sorry that is a difficult pill for you to swallow.

As to what my idea would be? All Ex trials should drop max ivl raid equivalent accessories. My favorite slot to suggest would be rings since you never really get any selection with max ilevel rings. EX primals were worth doing at some point (Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda EX) because they gave people gear choices outside of tomestone and raid gear. There was also a weekly quest that rewarded ilvl90 weapons. That was a fantastic system.

The relic should require trials and primals again.

SE needs to slow down with it's vertical progression so rewards remain valuable. Did you know you needed zero pieces of gear from gordias savage going into midas savage? eikon gear invalidated everything but weapons since pentamelded eikon gear was so powerful. The whole point of farming BiS from Gordias to prepare for Midas was completely moot. The rewards from Goridas might as well have been vanity skins.

SE needs to nurse back to life the sense of risk vs reward in this game. This could be done by making monster more dangerous or making the open world more dangerous. Without a sense of danger or risk, the sense of worth accompanying an activity is diminished.

There are plenty of good ideas to be had other than your straw man imitations of what you think are the arguments of this thread.

What you have to understand is that feeling like I have to grind out content in such a way that it is much worse than boring just because it's very useful for the content I do have an interest in, is actively frustrating for me. I've lost count of how often I've decided to work on the relic because it's actually a better weapon than what I get otherwise, only to literally fall asleep or to become so bored that I play a different game entirely. So yes, I'm happy there is a somewhat viable alternative to the relic grind.

Why do I bother grabbing it now if it'll be replaced 3 months later? Easy. I'm looking to use this gear now, not 3 months after the fact. That there is better gear to grab later is an upside for me as the opposite has a stagnating feel to it.

This is what the casual players wanted. Everyone made a big stink over including trials and primals in the relic. Gone are the days where earning your relic was more about skill and less about a time sink. I wish it was the other way around where you could work on your relic like a true legendary weapon. the only legendary thing about the relic is the legendary grinds SE seems to love.

So, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you about how boring the relic is.

[zosia]

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