I guess it's time

[odintius]

OP doesn't even raid.

I would more if I'd thought the reward was worth it, I can get by with normal Alex 220 and lore gear as it currently stands. I'm starting to care less and less about it currently even deep dungeon I get what out of it a glamour piece at best this pure vertical is killing me it felt more rewarding doing 1.23 content then I do know /shrug.

[CheshirePuss]

I would more if I'd thought the reward was worth I can get by with normal Alex 220 and lore gear as it currently stands. I'm starting to care less and less about it currently even deep dungeon I get what out of it a glamour piece at best this pure vertical is killing me it felt more rewarding doing 1.23 content then I do know /shrug.

I don't want to bop the nose of anyone that wants some kind of reward for their hard work. But as a veteran gamer, it's almost irksome to see so many posts in similar regard. I remember completing overly difficult and time consuming tasks in older console games prior to the internet's existence, and enjoying the fact that I had the skill and tolerance to see it through to the end.

I should not feel this old at 24! Give me my youth back by appreciating what hard work gives you damn it! >:C

[odintius]

I don't want to bop the nose of anyone that wants some kind of reward for their hard work. But as a veteran gamer, it's almost irksome to see so many posts in similar regard. I remember completing overly difficult and time consuming tasks in older console games prior to the internet's existence, and enjoying the fact that I had the skill and tolerance to see it through to the end.

I should not feel this old at 24! Give me my youth back by appreciating what hard work gives you damn it! >:C

It isn't just about reward the gear is bland, spirit bonding was way more worth it with the materia they had back in 1.0. Thing is I can do the challenge part one time and say well beat it what make people go back in and repeat it over and over you guess it the reward for doing it. I do work hard it called my job when I get off I play a video game for fun and expect some level of reward in a game not just well I work hard for it but expect only to take half of my pay check home for it.

[CheshirePuss]

It isn't just about reward the gear is bland, spirit bonding was way more worth it with the materia they had back in 1.0. Thing is I can do the challenge part one time and say well beat it what make people go back in and repeat it over and over you guess it the reward for doing it.

This did seem strange to me as well. Even for the first Relic in Realm Reborn, Materia and Spirit Bonding were critical to reaching the quests' end point. It was something they seemed to want to make use of it to its fullest. It may be for the same reason that we're lacking in that regard as well during our time with Heavensward. We may just need something new, something more original to FF14, rather than a unit to the FF franchise that has been abused like a.... well... damn. I can't say anything too dirty on the forums can I? Well, just use your imagination. :|

[Chessala]

I haven't read 37 pages of reply but I read the OP and I 100% agree.

I am currently on a "break" but still paying my sub as I am just not ready to leave the game entirely at this point. I classify myself as a mid-hardcore player (simply because work severely limits my playing time). I used to take days off work for patches of the day until recently. I happened to be sick on 3.3 and.....when I logged in I was anything but excited. More of the same...woho? New raid makes the old one useless....so I exchange one content for another. The new roulet dungeons are there, once again confining us to a choice of two (well really one because Hullbreaker Hard is a disappointment at best - epiphany of a copy/paste map) dungeons that we can get for the ex roulette.

I love FFXIV, I severely do. It has been a while since I felt so attached to a game that I pay the sub while not even playing. I find myself wanting to log in but when I do, there is nothing to do that makes me think "I want to be there and do this - NOW!"

The raids are not exciting, they are tedious chores that I have to subscribe my soul to. Challenge is good, feeling forced isn't.And there is not even a reward that is actually worth it for finishing them unless you count getting 10 ilvls a few weeks before everyone else has them...on butt-ugly equipment.

It's been almost 2 years since I joined the game. I am looking forward to Palace of the Dead, hoping it will bring a fresh breeze without the obligation to go to DF. In any ways, I will try playing again and again until 4.0, which will be my final "stay or leave".

[Caelum_Dragguell]

I am still subbed for about 14 more days, and whether I did or didn't raid shouldn't matter as that has nothing to do with the games overall lack of content (that isn't recycled)

I'd also appreciate that instead of assaulting each other about who is more knowledgeable about 11 or other things that instead ideas are generated about what should go into the game without devolving into bickering over tiny details. Add to each others ideas or agree to disagree. I'm leaving this game either way but I'd like it to become better for those of us that would like to enjoy it more.

I only posted the way I felt in that opening statement to set the tone for my love of the game and how I want it to succeed even more. Honestly this thread is too long for any dev to sift through and most of it is meaningless arguments followed by maybe a few sprinkled ideas here and there. Anyway that's all I had to say.


(P.S. yes I did raid and still am raiding until I'm unsubbed, but only raiding doesn't make someone capable of speaking on the whole of the game, so those who have done the majority of the content in this game would understand that it's not the end all be all especially with the way the rewards become obsolete and useless E.G. boring gear and steep vertical progression, and no I don't want direct horizontal progression, just elements of it that would fit into this game don't feel like incorporating specifics on this as there's someone else I know working on that atm for a different thread).

[Iromi]

I unsubbed as well, its just a waste of time. There is 0 dev response and no interaction. I don't think we will see any change until the subs drop entirely. Even then who knows.

How unfortunate because XIV has so much potential. But wanting more content, force pop items/NM/open world dungeons and worthwhile drops and stats is apparently asking too much and when asking for this we all apparently wear glasses. or rose tinted? whatever that means. Well anyway, too bad so sad...no change no response from devs so no sub from me anymore.

[Phireblast]

I unsubbed as well, its just a waste of time. There is 0 dev response and no interaction. I don't think we will see any change until the subs drop entirely. Even then who knows.

How unfortunate because XIV has so much potential. But wanting more content, force pop items/NM/open world dungeons and worthwhile drops and stats is apparently asking too much and when asking for this we all apparently wear glasses. or rose tinted? whatever that means. Well anyway, too bad so sad...no change no response from devs so no sub from me anymore.

I'd kill for this.

The only reason I log in now is to spawn S ranks in my server. I don't know why I get a sense of enjoyment out of that. I don't even care about the rewards anymore.

[Claymore65]

I unsubbed as well, its just a waste of time. There is 0 dev response and no interaction. I don't think we will see any change until the subs drop entirely. Even then who knows.

How unfortunate because XIV has so much potential. But wanting more content, force pop items/NM/open world dungeons and worthwhile drops and stats is apparently asking too much and when asking for this we all apparently wear glasses. or rose tinted? whatever that means. Well anyway, too bad so sad...no change no response from devs so no sub from me anymore.

It's not "I want Notorious Monsters in the game like FFXI" that's a problem. That's a perfectly fine suggestion, albeit it would probably make more sense as an addition to the Hunts system. It's that some of the suggestions don't work well in the context of FFXIV's gameplay. Just saying "Add Open World Dungeons!" is something that's more easily said than done, and it's not content everyone would be interested in...just like Raids, Golden Saucer content, dungeons and trials. Every piece of content attracts and interests different people. I think Diadem was an attempt to appease the "open world difficult exploration crowds" without negatively affecting basic travel around the world, but it is admittedly in need of a revamp. Fortunately, that's certainly a piece of content they can improve over time, and it's a sign that they're willing to experiment more, even if it's implementation was off. Plus, saying "Add new Stats" and "change how items work" isn't exactly a small suggestion. That is an extremely major change to a core component of the game. Any change like that would need to be carefully considered and even more carefully implemented, and would be far too reaching for a content patch. That's definitely expansion territory, where more major core changes to the game are reasonable. You'd have to wait and learn more about the expansion before expecting a major change like that. It's the same way with increased character-build customization, which is something I'd like to see in the future but I know would need to be carefully implemented in an expansion. For the Devs, keep in mind the language barrier that makes it hard for them to talk about this kind of thing, though I can certainly understand the desire for more interaction with the Developers. Something like the Fanfest might be better suited to asking direct questions. I'm sorry to hear you aren't enjoying FFXIV anymore, and I hope you enjoy whatever other games you choose to play.

I can totally understand the frustration. FFXIV isn't a perfect game, although I'm still enjoying it heavily. I actually overall like the Tomestone system, since it takes the RNG out if you want it to, although I'd be personally fine with the weekly limit being lessened or even outright removed. If people want to grind like mad, that's fine in my book. Right now I'm most looking forward to Deep Dungeon. It looks like it will incorporate a good amount of what people have been asking for (Randomized Dungeons and Bosses, Floor based traps and status effects, usable solo or in a party, and even later will get more difficult and hardcore). I'm most looking forward to it as a way to level up alternate jobs. Assuming the EXP isn't ridiculously low, it sounds like a really fun way to get EXP, even if it won't be the fastest.

[Yasuhiro]

Open world dungeons would be nice. Half the fun from a newbie player like me in XI going from one place to another was finding these nooks and crannies and caves that have impossible to gauge monsters and some really nice goodies in them.

Maybe if hypothetically these open dungeons came into XIV they don't have to be as big as the one's we have now but in them there's a few branching paths and dead ends and the gimmick of the dungeons is there's randomly spawning treasure or hard to beat monsters that drop Lore tomes (Or whatever tome later) or glamour items. Problem I can see arising is players learning the spawn times and just camping for them and it could stop players from running dungeons entirely if they knew this tough monster that randomly spawns in the day drops a ton of tomes for traversing the dungeon.