"Coming into its own" is too much!

[WinterLuna]

The issue isn't necessarily the grind, but it's the lack of creativity.

This I agree with.

[Lilith_Merquise]

Here's a thought, don't get this item then. Do the content that is designed for you! It's not like the relic weapon is better than many other options, and frankly if you can't put in enough time to do a few dungeons and get your tomes. The game probably isn't for you.

[Kabzy]

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I disagree. It's just an illusion of choice, you can do as much Diadem as you want but people who want their weapons will be spamming a select few daily roulettes and the ARF dungeon. Yes, a lot of things give you esos but the majority of them are pretty irrelevant unless you want to get your weapon in 4.0.

Also, a lot of "DoW activities" is still not as varied as doing other optional things like making gil and spiritbonding. Not everyone had to progress through that route, but at least it added variety to the grind.

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Here's a thought, don't get this item then. Do the content that is designed for you! It's not like the relic weapon is better than many other options, and frankly if you can't put in enough time to do a few dungeons and get your tomes. The game probably isn't for you.

Like I mentioned earlier, to some jobs such as SCH and Noct.Ast, the accuracy stat IS the best possible option. So unless they add an accuracy option to tome weapons, certain roles will be forced to go through this route. They can still make a grind without dragging it quite as far, or at least make it more interesting for everyone.

[Ziegsy]

day 1 atma is way easier than this

due to the RNG nature of the atma when it was launched it took me 6 MONTHS of fate grinding, playing for about 5-9 hours EVERY DAY before I got all of the atmas required.

a month of doing my roulette's? My beast tribe dailies now have incentives? Id rather grind three of these new relics than go through that atma grind again.

[Felis]

All what we need for next relic step is farming beastmen seals from Hamlet defences again.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I love how people likes to confuse "casual" with "time investment".

If relic is supposed to be a second tier arm, that gives you good stats but isn`t the BiS, there is no reason for it to be behind such an horrendous timesink. Besides, it just an slap for anyone wanting to work on it, is basically the game devs saying "we know you are not raid material, here, have a weapon that only requires one thing from you, time".

Its terrible. Having so many oportunities to make relic both good and interesting as a quest, they just plan it to be a dumbed down grind, is getting tiring, repeating 2000 times a dungeon is not fun, entertaining, challenging, good, anything, is just developers being absolutely lazy, every step this quest goes on becomes worse and worse... This is unacceptable.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

its either going to be a grind, or locked behind savage. And its not even that time consuming, I have a 240, 3rd of the way to 2nd 240, another 230, and halfway to a 4th 210, just doing weeklies and dailies. Original Atma, light farming, the zodiak step, were all much worse than any of these.

[bass9020]

its either going to be a grind, or locked behind savage. And its not even that time consuming, I have a 240, 3rd of the way to 2nd 240, another 230, and halfway to a 4th 210, just doing weeklies and dailies. Original Atma, light farming, the zodiak step, were all much worse than any of these.

It can be a grind but make it interesting.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Well hopefully people can get their Palace of the Dead weapon and stop complaining.... You want something thats not a dumbed down grind? Go do that then..... geez. The amount of bellyaching over the one quest that actually takes a month or two to complete is kinda unreal. People act like playing the game for a couple months a year is actually going to damage them psychologically or something lol. Most of the people complaining probably already have a lvl 230 weapon and will be given lvl 240 upgrades in patch 3.4

I'm assuming all the people that are upset about relic are the people that burnt through all the other easy stuff already and have nothing better to do. So either do the relic, raid, or go play another game until they patch in more easy content that you can complete in 1 week.

Also remember. Everything except Weeping City that was challenging has been nerfed due to player feedback, so that's why the game is like this now.

[kuma_aus]

Ive done Nidhogg EX and have my weapon which has been since replaced with the i240 anima weapon. Most people would like some engaging and challenging (hardmode fights are barely challenging) but something that isn't just a grind with no substance. To sit here and say this is acceptable is crazy. And yes a portion of the community do wait for nerfs you can see it in most threads that relate to this subject.

Ive said it before they should have 2 versions, one that is engaging and requires some effort (new trials, solo fights, etc) which is more difficult and a boring way with lots of grind like we have now.

If you don't like doing Relic, stop doing it. People cleared M4S in 3.2, nothing in this game requires you to have a relic to clear content. If you want engaging fights for a weapon, do the new Ex Primal and the end game raid.

Stop complaining that the game has varied content for different people when the stuff you want is already in the game in a different form. Interesting fights, engaging quests = New Trial. Even more interesting fights but the quest isn't as engaging for some people unfortunatly = Alexander.

But they shouldn't be mindless grinds that aren't engaging.

How is it mindless? It's mindless if you grind it 24/7 maybe. I never grinded my weapon, I played the game normally and in 2 months time I had my 210 weapon. 210 step is literally play the game the way you want to and you will be rewarded with a 210 weapon in the end. I did my roulettes whenever I felt like doing roulettes, I did my beast tribes whenever I felt like doing beast tribes, I did hunts when I wanted to do hunts, I did treasure maps when I wanted to do treasure maps and I did PvP when I wanted to do PvP. I never touched Godias and suddenly from playing the type of content I wanted to, when I wanted to, I got a cool 210 weapon.

Edit: Think of it like this. Do you complain about PvP saying "I want an ADS mount but I don't want to do boring PvP, change how to get ADS mount so I can also do interesting and engaging fights to get ADS mount"? Do you go up to crafters and complain, "I want the minions you get from boring crafting, change how to get the minions so I can get them from doing interesting and engaging fights as well"? You have your interesting and engaging fights, they give better rewards than this Relic quest, go do your interesting and engaging fights if that's what you want to do for a weapon.