"Coming into its own" is too much!

[Saraphin]

The relics are not meant to be...easy.

I remember doing my DRG 50 relic, going 3 weeks without a single atma drop. i did my unidentified items in a few weeks for the 60 relic. you want to complain? it's 200 runs of every floor of Alexander Gordias 1-4, minus whatever Eso you spend on the two Token items you can buy in Idyllshire, plus 6 days on each of the beast tribes in HW to get enough tokens to get them - moogles excluded - (68 runs or something per item, 680/10 eso per run) and you can do the CT quest weekly to have your Aether Oils for your Hyper conductive stage now. Congratz by the way, SOME of us had to grind out 1800 eso per because there was no other way to get them. Some of us busted our butts for a good month to get our relics past that stage.

Now? now we have the latest stage, 300eso times...what? 80? less if we get lucky? I'm willing to put the time into my relic for this. I went to diadem. I collected my mats. I did my crafting (alt: buy mats, find crafter). I put in a lot of hours, yes...but will it be a reward in the end? Yes. a Relic isn't a handout. a Relic is something one works for. The whole point of it is that it will be Savage Tier equivalent without having to go raid and do savage content.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The relics are not meant to be...easy.

Actually, the relic IS the easy option. But for that same reason, it's the long one.

Look around the forums and you'll see the relic gets no love from me at all, but I'm aware it was meant to be a long, easy road to something good, for those who lack the time/skill/desire to do more challenging content. Now, numbers show that even those who do have what it takes get relics anyways, but the relic largely remains both an equalizer among players, and a catalyst for sustaining/reviving older content. I frown upon it, openly and loudly, but I'm aware of its necessity, personal feelings aside.

But let's stop kidding ourselves about the relic not being "easy". The last time it was not easy, we had to fight the HM Primals fpr it, and people largely hated the challenge. Others thought it was TOO easy (those who had the skill/desire that is). For that reason and more, we all got a series of grinds.