"Coming into its own" is too much!

[Trixxy]

Besides that, being able to farm up Oils for the next step and spending leves on getting amber-encased vilekins gives you a headstart for the following upgrades.

[Wanzer]

I don't mind doing stuff like that, but man, day 1 atma is way easier than this, I've gotten my old relics without complaining because they were ok! They didn't require me to play and grind for hours and finish a single step in 2 months.

Day one Atma ? It took weeks for some people to get just one Atma before the nerf. So... No. Not at all. And there are still people who have nightmares about that step. o_o
Sure, it was easy, we just had to farm the same fates over and over, but still.

I understand your concern about that step for the anima weapon, but it's a mmo, so it's supposed to take time to get stuffs.

[Trixxy]

Nothing will ever be as bad as day one Atma.
The problem isn't even how long it took - the problem was just how much it eventually began to drain your body and soul.

[CienFleur]

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

That quote.... 'Kneels Respectively' Yes just Yes exactly

[LadyKairi]

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

And excuse me, but last I checked this is an MMO. SE made content for casuals and "hard core" players. its not meant to have content suitable to one play group. There's plenty of stuff for casuals to do no problem, and then stuff to please the hardcore raiders. If you can't handle the more difficult content, then it obviously isn't for you.

[Dement]

Oh, excuse me but not all people are like you who have no life and nothing to do.
Many of us barely have time to do the Daily Roulettes.

If you are just doing your Daily Roulettes because that's all you have time for, then what exactly do you need a 230 relic weapon for? Those instances were meant to be cleared in like ilvl 200 gear. If you don't need it, then just do it casually. Also you may want to look into other methods of obtaining the items. Gather and do a daily map for a random drop chance or buy a bunch of maps if you have extra gil. Do hunts for esoterics, poetics, and allied seals all which can buy unidentifiable items. Do daily beast tribes. I believe they upped the amount of reputation they give and it used to only take 20 days to get from 0 reputation up to a point where you can get the items for unidentifiables and that's for two different ARR beast tribes.

[JustPlainLucas]

As much as I hate to admit it, it's to shoehorn people into running Alex and 24-man dungeons to get their gear. There are people who don't want to invest the time and skill into statics and random DFs to try to get good enough to clear them, so the relic grinds are for them to get their 230s and 240s. Also, by having people grind so many dailies, it keeps SE's content relevant by having people continuously run the dungeons. THAT is the real reason why you have to grind.

[LalafellDown]

Took me 5hrs to get the crystals (even though i had the Zeta weapons). Took me 2 weeks to get all the 80 items by just doing beast tribes and dailies and logging off. Played about 2-4 hours a day didn't feel the need to farm my self to boredom so i logged off after the dailies were done. Gathered and crafted all my items in probably 8 hrs spread out with in 3 days. Spent a total of around 3k because i was too lazy to go and mine one node. I work long hours, days off/after work i play

there's a lot to do but unlike 3.3 Anima you have more ways of getting the items (hunts/seals, beast tribes, tombstones, treasure maps)

[Judah_Brandt]

The step isn't too long. And I'm afraid to even hear what your suggestion might be in order to make it "fair" to you. Also, don't presume to insult other players as if your time is worth more than theirs or that they must "have no life or nothing to do" in order to complete a Quest with literally twelve different methods of obtaining the required items. I'll list them. ARR Hunt Seals, purchase from your GC. Poetic Tomestones, Esoteric Tomestones, Kobold, Sylph, Amal'jaa and Sahagin Beast tribe daily quests, Vanu Vanu, Moogle, and Gnath also provide all four from their respective vendors, not to mention various Maps which drop a variety of the items. Also Alexander Gordias. Precision tokens can be exchanged. So you don't have time to do any of those things? Really?

[Saraphin]

The relics are not meant to be...easy.

I remember doing my DRG 50 relic, going 3 weeks without a single atma drop. i did my unidentified items in a few weeks for the 60 relic. you want to complain? it's 200 runs of every floor of Alexander Gordias 1-4, minus whatever Eso you spend on the two Token items you can buy in Idyllshire, plus 6 days on each of the beast tribes in HW to get enough tokens to get them - moogles excluded - (68 runs or something per item, 680/10 eso per run) and you can do the CT quest weekly to have your Aether Oils for your Hyper conductive stage now. Congratz by the way, SOME of us had to grind out 1800 eso per because there was no other way to get them. Some of us busted our butts for a good month to get our relics past that stage.

Now? now we have the latest stage, 300eso times...what? 80? less if we get lucky? I'm willing to put the time into my relic for this. I went to diadem. I collected my mats. I did my crafting (alt: buy mats, find crafter). I put in a lot of hours, yes...but will it be a reward in the end? Yes. a Relic isn't a handout. a Relic is something one works for. The whole point of it is that it will be Savage Tier equivalent without having to go raid and do savage content.