"Coming into its own" is too much!

[DeadRiser]

I somewhat understand where OP is coming from.

Doing Gordias is pointless. Queues are too long to get 10 items for one reward. So that easy part is off the table.

Then it gets down to doing daily beastmen quests and tomestones. Just to get one item from one beastmen camp takes 5 days.
Unless you are repeatedly doing dungeons over and over and over again, it will take a very long time.

I'm hoping that they reduce the requirement of the unidentifiable items to 10 on the patch this Tuesday. 20 of each of those items is extreme
when there are 240 weapons available.

[Anzaman]

I'm hoping that they reduce the requirement of the unidentifiable items to 10 on the patch this Tuesday.

I'd be somewhat annoyed since I'll have all items once Crystal Tower weekly resets.

[bass9020]

Since majority of people wait for nerfs and buffs to do these quests, can we just have an engaging and challenging quest chain that was on par with Titan HM back in the day?

[CheshirePuss]

Since majority of people wait for nerfs and buffs to do these quests, can we just have an engaging and challenging quest chain that was on par with Titan HM back in the day?

Is that possible? For me, the whole point of Titan HM's difficulty, was its quickened pace and enforcement of the aoe mechanics in the game, and the realization that there is a very minor latency gap between the end of a cast meter and the actual cast time. By level 60, that should be considered too easy for people, or at least I'd hope for it to be the case. If we'd return to what felt like a challenge in the past, we'd need something new and potentially inventive to add to the whole schtick, which I'd be all for.

[kuma_aus]

Since majority of people wait for nerfs and buffs to do these quests, can we just have an engaging and challenging quest chain that was on par with Titan HM back in the day?

Yeah you have that already. If you clear the engaging and challenging fight of Nidhogg EX, you can get a i235 weapon. If you want something even more engaging and challenging you can try your hand at Alexander Midas 4 Savage to get a i245 weapon.

And no, a majority of people don't wait for nerfs to do this. 210 stage might be nerfed when ilvl250+ weapons are easy to get so those that wait for nerfs mainly just go for alternate weapons. Most people do it as it's released.

[bass9020]

Yeah you have that already. If you clear the engaging and challenging fight of Nidhogg EX, you can get a i235 weapon. If you want something even more engaging and challenging you can try your hand at Alexander Midas 4 Savage to get a i245 weapon.

And no, a majority of people don't wait for nerfs to do this. 210 stage might be nerfed when ilvl250+ weapons are easy to get so those that wait for nerfs mainly just go for alternate weapons. Most people do it as it's released.

Ive done Nidhogg EX and have my weapon which has been since replaced with the i240 anima weapon. Most people would like some engaging and challenging (hardmode fights are barely challenging) but something that isn't just a grind with no substance. To sit here and say this is acceptable is crazy. And yes a portion of the community do wait for nerfs you can see it in most threads that relate to this subject.

Ive said it before they should have 2 versions, one that is engaging and requires some effort (new trials, solo fights, etc) which is more difficult and a boring way with lots of grind like we have now.

[kuma_aus]

Ive done Nidhogg EX and have my weapon which has been since replaced with the i240 anima weapon. Most people would like some engaging and challenging (hardmode fights are barely challenging) but something that isn't just a grind with no substance. To sit here and say this is acceptable is crazy. And yes a portion of the community do wait for nerfs you can see it in most threads that relate to this subject.

Ive said it before they should have 2 versions, one that is engaging and requires some effort (new trials, solo fights, etc) which is more difficult and a boring way with lots of grind like we have now.

If you don't like doing Relic, stop doing it. People cleared M4S in 3.2, nothing in this game requires you to have a relic to clear content. If you want engaging fights for a weapon, do the new Ex Primal and the end game raid.

Stop complaining that the game has varied content for different people when the stuff you want is already in the game in a different form. Interesting fights, engaging quests = New Trial. Even more interesting fights but the quest isn't as engaging for some people unfortunatly = Alexander.

But they shouldn't be mindless grinds that aren't engaging.

How is it mindless? It's mindless if you grind it 24/7 maybe. I never grinded my weapon, I played the game normally and in 2 months time I had my 210 weapon. 210 step is literally play the game the way you want to and you will be rewarded with a 210 weapon in the end. I did my roulettes whenever I felt like doing roulettes, I did my beast tribes whenever I felt like doing beast tribes, I did hunts when I wanted to do hunts, I did treasure maps when I wanted to do treasure maps and I did PvP when I wanted to do PvP. I never touched Godias and suddenly from playing the type of content I wanted to, when I wanted to, I got a cool 210 weapon.

Edit: Think of it like this. Do you complain about PvP saying "I want an ADS mount but I don't want to do boring PvP, change how to get ADS mount so I can also do interesting and engaging fights to get ADS mount"? Do you go up to crafters and complain, "I want the minions you get from boring crafting, change how to get the minions so I can get them from doing interesting and engaging fights as well"? You have your interesting and engaging fights, they give better rewards than this Relic quest, go do your interesting and engaging fights if that's what you want to do for a weapon.

[bass9020]

If you don't like doing Relic, stop doing it. People cleared M4S in 3.2, nothing in this game requires you to have a relic to clear content. If you want engaging fights for a weapon, do the new Ex Primal and the end game raid.

Stop complaining that the game has varied content for different people when the stuff you want is already in the game in a different form. Interesting fights, engaging quests = New Trial. Even more interesting fights but the quest isn't as engaging for some people unfortunatly = Alexander.



How is it mindless? It's mindless if you grind it 24/7 maybe. I never grinded my weapon, I played the game normally and in 2 months time I had my 210 weapon. 210 step is literally play the game the way you want to and you will be rewarded with a 210 weapon in the end. I did my roulettes whenever I felt like doing roulettes, I did my beast tribes whenever I felt like doing beast tribes, I did hunts when I wanted to do hunts, I did treasure maps when I wanted to do treasure maps and I did PvP when I wanted to do PvP. I never touched Godias and suddenly from playing the type of content I wanted to, when I wanted to, I got a cool 210 weapon.

I dont hate the relic BTW I'm working on my second one now. Im saying since MOST people won't do it now because they can't be bothered are the ones being catered to? Why? People who actually want to have some mid core tier things (like the original HM primals, chimera, hydra before item lvl bloat) get screwed because its "too hard". Yoshi's solution is to make it a boring rehashed old content grind. I DO NOT mind the grind BUT MAKE IT INTERESTING!! Right now it is mindless it offers nothing of interest except old things we've been doing hundreds of times before the the quest line was even introduced.

Everything you are saying and agreeing with is the reason we have such a silly dumbed down system now. The original relic was a great quest line, then everything changed the whole game for that matter changed. But I'm done talking to you because clearly you don't understand.

To your edit:

I don't complain about anything I enjoy all aspects of this game but its annoying to see Yoshi state the relic is the way it is because people couldn't clear titan hm but then even with the grinds PEOPLE STILL DONT DO IT. So please dont say I am that type of person because I do everything in this game before all nerfs and buffs even crafting, gathering and pvp. Sometimes I get achievements while its relevant and sometimes I don't but I don't whine like a lot of players do about not having things handed to them.

[WinterLuna]

I know the game has been updated since this thread was created but it isn't 'hard', just time consuming. I don't have a problem with the best weapons being grindy. If you don't have enough time to get the weapon, you don't need the weapon. Not having it isn't going to hold you back.