"Coming into its own" is too much!

[bass9020]

If you don't like doing Relic, stop doing it. People cleared M4S in 3.2, nothing in this game requires you to have a relic to clear content. If you want engaging fights for a weapon, do the new Ex Primal and the end game raid.

Stop complaining that the game has varied content for different people when the stuff you want is already in the game in a different form. Interesting fights, engaging quests = New Trial. Even more interesting fights but the quest isn't as engaging for some people unfortunatly = Alexander.



How is it mindless? It's mindless if you grind it 24/7 maybe. I never grinded my weapon, I played the game normally and in 2 months time I had my 210 weapon. 210 step is literally play the game the way you want to and you will be rewarded with a 210 weapon in the end. I did my roulettes whenever I felt like doing roulettes, I did my beast tribes whenever I felt like doing beast tribes, I did hunts when I wanted to do hunts, I did treasure maps when I wanted to do treasure maps and I did PvP when I wanted to do PvP. I never touched Godias and suddenly from playing the type of content I wanted to, when I wanted to, I got a cool 210 weapon.

I dont hate the relic BTW I'm working on my second one now. Im saying since MOST people won't do it now because they can't be bothered are the ones being catered to? Why? People who actually want to have some mid core tier things (like the original HM primals, chimera, hydra before item lvl bloat) get screwed because its "too hard". Yoshi's solution is to make it a boring rehashed old content grind. I DO NOT mind the grind BUT MAKE IT INTERESTING!! Right now it is mindless it offers nothing of interest except old things we've been doing hundreds of times before the the quest line was even introduced.

Everything you are saying and agreeing with is the reason we have such a silly dumbed down system now. The original relic was a great quest line, then everything changed the whole game for that matter changed. But I'm done talking to you because clearly you don't understand.

To your edit:

I don't complain about anything I enjoy all aspects of this game but its annoying to see Yoshi state the relic is the way it is because people couldn't clear titan hm but then even with the grinds PEOPLE STILL DONT DO IT. So please dont say I am that type of person because I do everything in this game before all nerfs and buffs even crafting, gathering and pvp. Sometimes I get achievements while its relevant and sometimes I don't but I don't whine like a lot of players do about not having things handed to them.

[VirusChris]

due to the RNG nature of the atma when it was launched it took me 6 MONTHS of fate grinding, playing for about 5-9 hours EVERY DAY before I got all of the atmas required.

a month of doing my roulette's? My beast tribe dailies now have incentives? Id rather grind three of these new relics than go through that atma grind again.

Oh... sorry to hear that man. I got all 12 ATMA in a month, but RNG is RNG and I wish they went about it differently and I hated the fact your weapon didn't EVEN get stronger and on top of it you lost the glow to it. That's wrong...

its either going to be a grind, or locked behind savage. And its not even that time consuming, I have a 240, 3rd of the way to 2nd 240, another 230, and halfway to a 4th 210, just doing weeklies and dailies. Original Atma, light farming, the zodiak step, were all much worse than any of these.

Let's agree to disagree... I much prefer the old Zodiac line (pre-nerf) compared to the Anima line currently. At least I did a load of other things instead of redoing AFC over until my mind goes numb. It wasn't engaging or fun like Zodiac was even if it was annoying at times.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Let's agree to disagree... I much prefer the old Zodiac line (pre-nerf) compared to the Anima line currently. At least I did a load of other things instead of redoing AFC over until my mind goes numb. It wasn't engaging or fun like Zodiac was even if it was annoying at times.

Why are you doing ARF over and over then? I mean, thats on you, I'm just playing normally. Sounds like you are making the relic step not fun. Tho I have to say, doing Sastasha HM 37 times wasnt exactly fun. or Darkhold. Ya know its like the exact same thing!

[Causality]

This step of the Anima Relic quest is too hard!
Many people can\\'t login and play the game for hours, let alone do that kind of grind every single day.
The tomestones required to obtain unidentified items is way over the top, It takes forever to get them. We need 680 tomes per item and we need 20x for 4 items, the price should be halved at least.
Not all players can play everyday and do all this grind.
The next steps are there too so it would be really great if this quest gets some balancing.
Thank You!

It was nerfed. They added Moogle Beast Tribe so another beast tribe to give you tokens that can be used for any piece.

Even better unlike Vanu and G'nath. Moogles give you 3 tokens at rank 7 so you can get an item of every 6 days from them and 9 from the other two, and 12-13 from a 4th beast tribe (each one except ixal gives one of the 4 items). (Kobald = Ore, Sylph = Seed, Amalj'aa = Bone, Sahagin = Shell)

Dragonskin maps can drop ore.

Allied seals for hunts can be used for items (and hunts drop eso and poetics!)

Esoterics and Poetics can be used for items

Alexander Gordias can be farmed 10 clears = 1 item each floor gives tokens for a specific item (AND you get Eso to boot!)

The relic is meant to be a very long grind.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The relic is meant to be a very long grind.

Apparently long enough that when you finish it, the next expansion arrives and the weapon's not worth more than turning in to skip a step for the NEXT grind.

No. Thanks.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Apparently long enough that when you finish it, the next expansion arrives and the weapon's not worth more than turning in to skip a step for the NEXT grind.

No. Thanks.

Its not even that long of a grind lol. Maybe if you only play for 30 minutes a day.

[Dumbledoremd]

Yeah it's insane for someone who can't log in every day, it takes you so many hours to get there without the dailies. When I think of the number of times I ran antitower, over and over again...*shudders* Keep in mind though that the relic is not a requirement for progression -- I grinded out my hyperconductive axe then tried it out and it only made like a 2% dent on the SSS dummy vs. the lore weapon with all that parry. If you just pick up a lore weapon or nidhogg weapon, realistically you should be fine. If you want the relic for completion/glamour, then they will probably nerf it eventually so you could wait. But yeah, I was disappointed that they only made the crystals easier to come by

You know you can work on it casually

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Its not even that long of a grind lol. Maybe if you only play for 30 minutes a day.

I certainly put time into the game, and for a brief moment when it was new, I actively worked on the 210 step. Despite the fact that the stats weren't favorable, and I didn't even like the look of it. I finally got all the unidentifiables, and for lack of gil/leveled crafters (I started a new FC, so that's were the gil went), I'm effectively dead in the water on the 210 step. Got the oils. No clue what the 240 step entails, and at this point, what little interest I had is RAPIDLY fading.

I think I can say at this point I gave it the "fair chance" I said I would, and remain uninspired, unmotivated, and rather disappointed. Definitely no 4.0 relic for me.

[Felis]

If relic is supposed to be a second tier arm, that gives you good stats but isn`t the BiS, there is no reason for it to be behind such an horrendous timesink.

Sure, it is not the best weapon for most jobs, but still the second best weapon.

Let's agree to disagree... I much prefer the old Zodiac line (pre-nerf) compared to the Anima line currently. At least I did a load of other things instead of redoing AFC over until my mind goes numb. It wasn't engaging or fun like Zodiac was even if it was annoying at times.

Like Brayflox's Longstop (hard) for myth farming?
Or Garuda (hard) for light farming?
If you don't like ARF, do lv 50 roulette.

[Zojha]

I disagree. It's just an illusion of choice,[...]

Also, a lot of "DoW activities" is still not as varied as doing other optional things like making gil and spiritbonding. Not everyone had to progress through that route, but at least it added variety to the grind.

I'm inclined to disagree myself here. For one, because thus far, I always managed to finish the most recent relic step a good month in advance to the next patch, let alone 4.0 and I usually only run two daily roulettes a day, then do other things. Right now, I'm at 120/240 with 8 umbrites in the bag, 600 esos at the ready and the next big patch is probably a good two months away. And I'm even skipping some roulettes and side activities because I'm close to exams. If you feel the need to kill your brain cells one by one by spamming solely aetherochemical... well...have fun? It's not necessary.

For another, I find progressing while doing things you already do because you enjoy doing them a "lot" better than going out of my way for progress. "Gaining gil" and "Spiritbonding" are first and foremost crafter, not DoW friendly options. Go figure how many DoW only players own a private mansion. Do the same for crafters afterwards. You'll notice a trend. Also, there's not a whole lot of option there, you need materia, so you either spiritbond yourself or get gil to buy the stuff other people have spiritbonded.

So yeah...I still vastly prefer these steps over just about anything the previous relic had. Books were nice I suppose, if you ignore the required FATEs.