"Who, WHAT are you?" *main story spoilers*

[revonine]

What did King Thordan mean? What did he see as he died? Is they're any theories on this? It's very interesting and it's been bugging me xD

[Shamo_Lomenzo]

I assumed he thinks you're so powerful that there's no way you're actually human.

Really, you're a human with the Echo and he's just mad that he lost.

[Enkidoh]

Well, my theory is that it was just his ego talking - he had become so deluded by that stage that he was a literal god, that no mere 'mortal' could defeat him, even a 'servant of the light' as he termed us. Naturally this delusion blinded him to one fatal flaw in his plan. We are the one the Garleans call with a terrified respect the 'Eikon Slayer', as we have made a name for ourselves destroying Primals like what he had become. With the Blessing relit and even more powerful than it was before, needless to say we made sport of him and his knights. And thus even defeated, he still could not see that, to him his defeat was an impossibility, a paradox. He destroyed a 'servant of the Darkness' (Lahabrea) easily enough, servants of the Light should have been cake! He was a literal god! No mere mortal could lay him low like that!

It was just his ego and arrogance refusing to accept the reasons for his own downfall - putting the 'blame' back onto us as being somekind of unknown quantity that he was demanding to know in the final seconds of his existence rather than accepting that he was responsible for his own demise, the moment he started consorting with the Ascians and decided to become a Primal his fate was sealed, and even in his final moments he couldn't accept that.

[revonine]

Your comments never fail to disappoint Enkidoh, that is a pretty good way of looking at it.

Really, you're a human with the Echo and he's just mad that he lost.

I do believe we are more than that. There's other characters with the echo and they haven't performed the feats we have. Whether that's just fighting prowess or not idk.

[Shamo_Lomenzo]

I do believe we are more than that. There's other characters with the echo and they haven't performed the feats we have. Whether that's just fighting prowess or not idk.

Isn't the WoL Hydaelyn's champion or something? Basically "the chosen one", right? Humans can be "chosen ones", yeah?

Idk my memory of the story isn't what it used to be. I've been playing a lot of different RPGs lately.

[Anonymoose]

There's other characters with the echo and they haven't performed the feats we have. Whether that's just fighting prowess or not idk.

Isn't the WoL Hydaelyn's champion or something? Basically "the chosen one", right? Humans can be "chosen ones", yeah?

Each language has its own idiosyncrasies in how it expresses concepts, but at different times and in different ways each one implies in some way that there is a noteworthy difference between Hydaelyn's Champion / The Warrior of Light and someone who is simply Echo-blessed.

An easy example, in your first meeting with Midgardsormr, he easily recognizes the Echo but is shocked and offended to see that Hydaelyn has granted you the protections afforded to her champion, and thus the responsibilities demanded of him via the covenant. Another clear separation, Toto-rak in French (where your enemy spells out your threat to him with James Bond Villain-like clarity):

Il y avait bien longtemps que je n'avais pas vu un “Guerrier de la Lumière”, ce mal insidieux qui ronge la planète. En plus de l'Écho, tu as le pouvoir d'interférer dans le monde de l'éther et de matérialiser des cristaux de lumière.
It's been a long time since I've seen a "Warrior of Light," that insidious evil that eats away this planet. In addition to the Echo, you have the power to interfere with the aetherial world and manifest crystals of light.

Few are blessed with the Echo, fewer understand its purpose, fewer heed its call, fewer receive a Crystal of Light. Almost no one accumulates six. One alone affords enhancements and protections that transcend mortal limits. Balancing out that whole glyph there in a way that allows Hydaelyn to manifest Her power to your benefit is an extraordinary advantage. That's not to say that it's not our own power that is the focus, of course; it's a feedback loop. Hydaelyn made her choice for a reason. The Crystals of Light are both drawn to and further the strength of the chosen.

At least, that's how I've been lead to understand it so far.
The borders change on occasion, such as when Krile was protected from Ultima (presumably) by one Crystal of Light.

[PArcher]

I do believe we are more than that. There's other characters with the echo and they haven't performed the feats we have. Whether that's just fighting prowess or not idk.

We do have the Blessing of Light, but so do others (Krile for one, but she's generally a non-combatant; no Eikon Slayer anyway. I'm doubting Minfilia did, considering the Blessing kept Nab out of the Rising Stones, but once it was sealed for us...) so its actually hard to say just *what* makes us so special.

Yeah, we also are bound to Midgardsormr by some unknown covenant, and are Hydalyn's Champeon...but there's no explanation for either of those beyond words. No reasoning why or what they mean.

I get the feeling we're going to get a lot of answers when we revisit the Keeper soon enough.

[Rhodkr]

Rt

We do have the Blessing of Light, but so do others (Krile for one, but she's generally a non-combatant; no Eikon Slayer anyway. I'm doubting Minfilia did, considering the Blessing kept Nab out of the Rising Stones, but once it was sealed for us...) so its actually hard to say just *what* makes us so special.

Yeah, we also are bound to Midgardsormr by some unknown covenant, and are Hydalyn's Champeon...but there's no explanation for either of those beyond words. No reasoning why or what they mean.

I get the feeling we're going to get a lot of answers when we revisit the Keeper soon enough.

Upon reading that it just occurred to me. Why aren't we mad at Middy? If he didn't lock the blessing away, Nabriales wouldn't have entered the Rising Stones, and Moonbreda (Sp?) would still be alive.

[Vulcwen]

Rt

Upon reading that it just occurred to me. Why aren't we mad at Middy? If he didn't lock the blessing away, Nabriales wouldn't have entered the Rising Stones, and Moonbreda (Sp?) would still be alive.

That makes me think.. what does the blessing has to do with Nabriales not being able to enter the Rising Stones, whether we're close to it or not?

[Enkidoh]

Rt

Upon reading that it just occurred to me. Why aren't we mad at Middy? If he didn't lock the blessing away, Nabriales wouldn't have entered the Rising Stones, and Moonbreda (Sp?) would still be alive.

Well, to be really honest, this is essentially the reason why he actually turned himself into his mount form - submitting himself to servitude as a mount is penance for... effectively causing at least some of the problems we faced in 2.55 and Heavensward by stripping us of the Blessing just to leech the aether from the Crystals to rebuild his body (although the banquet would have still turned out much the same, the whole thing with Nabriales probably would have had a much different result - he probably would not have even showed up in the first place, given he stated that as an Ascian who 'was not of that plane', the Blessing prevented him from materializing there, unlike Elidibus and Lahabrea, meaning the Chrysalis fight and Moen's demise would never have happened.

Although ultimately it only empowered us through a kind of 'what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger' mentality, Moenbrdya at the very least would still be alive and would not have had to sacrifice herself.

That makes me think.. what does the blessing has to do with Nabriales not being able to enter the Rising Stones, whether we're close to it or not?

It's not entirely certain (not the least because the Ascians' comments are as clear as mud), but based on what Nabriales stated, the Ascians do not all share a common ancestry, and have varying origins - Nabriales said that he is different to Lahabrea and Elidibus in that "he is not of that realm" and thus due to our Blessing, cannot walk in Hydaelyn whenever he so chooses. But with the Blessing stripped away, stating that "The Light no longer holds sway here", that restriction was no longer apparent and thus he was now free to come and go as he wished.

Given that the level 50 -60 SMN Job quests filled in a little of the origins of at least some of the Ascians, in that a mortal can actually become an Ascian - in fact it stated the lower ranked (that is nameless) Ascians were basically mortal born, but are limited to taking dead bodies as their hosts, becoming undead in a sense, where as Overlords like Lahabrea use living mortals as their corporeal hosts, it seems that Nabriales at the very least is an Ascian that had a different origin to Hydaelyn - suggesting that Lahabrea and other ones were born from Hydaelyn like their lower ranked kin. But again, this is just based on loose information stated in game so if someone else has a better interpretation of the in game information please post it!