Favour the Majority... As per usual...

[Cnidarian]

I personally prefer the dungeons go fast, but I also don't say anything if it ends up slow. If people are under performing, you can bet I'll be mentioning it via LS or FC chat, but I'll refrain from saying anything in party chat unless it's something that is noticeably wrong. An example would be a BLM who isn't using any rotation at all, just tossing out random spells or a DRG who isn't using Heavy Thrust at all. There are a lot of similar instances so I won't go into all of them. In those situations I offer some advice on different rotations they can use, in the case of BLM I give suggestions on when to use what spells and how to work with Enochian.

However, I think it's hypocritical for people to say that those requesting the run to be fast are in the wrong. As others have already stated, if 3 people want the run to go fast and 1 person wants it to be slow, then the pace should remain fast. The opposite is true as well, if 3 people want it to be slow and 1 person wants it fast, the pace should be set according to the majority. While verbal harassment is always in the wrong, telling people who enjoy a fast paced game to slow it down for the minority of the party is wrong as well. Also, people deciding to kick that one person is completely justifiable as it falls under "different playstyles". As long as no verbal harassment has taken place, they were well within their right to vote kick.

One issue I have with the initial post is that it clearly states "put with a 3-man non-English premade" and then in a follow up post they all of a sudden know English and are able to understand the OP when they "asked politely if they could slow down" in which the OP was responded to with by being "called a "noob" and to "shut the _____ up"" in English. As Ashelia_Ferron stated, we have no context and only have one side of the story which to me is contradicting and designed to make the OP appear as if they were a victim for simply requesting that the pace be slowed down to fit their playstyle.

[SpookyGhost]

Expecting random DF people to conform to your demands is like asking an anaconda not to bite you as you stick your hand in it's mouth.

[Dement]

I am tired as a solo dungeon player, going into a dungeon to grind tomes and being put with a 3-man non-English premade that will kick me at the last boss, if I complain that the tank is pulling way too much for me to handle. I am sick of this "speed run" junkies who are too stupid to take dungeons at a nice, manageable pace, the way that the game is intended to be.

I don't have any idea what people being non-English has to do with anything but okay. If you complained that the tank was pulling too much but you were at the last boss when you complained then I don't understand how the tank was pulling too much. You clearly made it. If you complained throughout the run and they booted you at the last boss then report them and move on with your life. Also, I guess I missed the memo that the game was intended to be played the way that you play it. Because in my belief system, the game was intended to be played by grinding dungeons as fast as possible to maximize returns. I only have so long to play each night and the more Fractal runs I squeeze in, the less days I have to devote to grinding esoterics. Who is right? Neither of us. The game is intended to be played to coincide with the desires of as many people currently in the group as possible.

Yet I get kicked for basically asking the tank to slow down. Its funny how this game is like every other MMO and built to cater to large groups of player rather then individual players or solo players.

Catering to a group mentality is kind of the definition of an MMO, the massive and the multiplayer in the acronym kind of give it away.

Obviously this is an MMO, its a multiplayer game but I shouldn't have to be bullied by foreign premades, abusing the kick player feature whenever they feel like it. Its disgusting that Square Enix hasn't sorted this out. People cannot be trusted with a feature like that in the game because people will abuse it.

Again... I have no idea what people being foreign has to do with anything. The alternative argument is just as valid as your point, though. We need a vote kick available in this game because it's a multiplayer game and some individual players like to jump into groups and troll their way through a dungeon, intentionally slowing the group down to a halt for their own personal amusement. The lack of a vote-kick function has just as many applications for abuse.

I cannot enjoy any of the environments of new dungeons or check out any of the different features, like the signposts in the Fractal Continuum because of these mindless idiots. These idiots just ruin the game for me.

This one's really simple. Clear the dungeon > Return to beginning > stroll leisurely through the dungeon taking in as many sights and environments as you desire without having to even deal with aggro.

Really though, if your innocent "complaints" about people speed running were worded similarly as your forum post, I wouldn't have bothered to slow down for you either and absolutely would have vote-kicked you. You come off as incredibly condescending by assuming that the problem is those damn "foreigners", that you alone have insight into how the game is supposed to be played, and referring to anyone who doesn't view your opinions as absolute fact as "mindless idiots". If this is the attitude you took when you voiced your concerns to your group, you absolutely deserved to get kicked. Remember, every story has another side to it.

[Ilan]

First of all it doesn't matter from which country the players are because this nasty Foreigners are humans just like you.

If you go into the DF and join a Group with 3 other People who want to do it fast, you have to keep up to their pace because its 3 > 1 and you don't have to wonder if these 3 decide to not play with you. You find it disgusting that they want to do it fast and they find it disgusting that you want to do it slow.

If you want to do it your own way then just make a group with your friends or a group in the partyfinder to avoid speedruns.

[Jas710]

1) Tanks control the pace of the run. The better tanks out there will be able to gauge the performance of the group and will either slow down or speed up accordingly.

2) Healers have second say in the speed. If they ask the tank to pull big, cool. If not, the tank should default to what the average medium pace might be, and apply #1. DO NOT attempt to speed up the pace by deliberately running ahead and pulling mobs to the tank.

3) DPS have no say. Adjust accordingly to either #1 or #2. DO NOT attempt to speed up the pace by deliberately running ahead and pulling mobs to the tank.

If one or none of the above is happening while you are in any of the above roles, then prepare to either put up with dysfunctional bs to the end, you or someone else dropping/getting kicked, or worst case, duty abandonment.

[addz3]

I feel sorry for you OP. It can be very frustrating in this situation. As a healer it annoys me when the tank pulls the whole of the first floor / zone. You then spend the whole time cure spamming whilst hoping no dps gets hit by an aoe. You get little chance to throw any other move in like a card or dot. And of course the healer much be shit for letting the tank die (if this happens). I've always felt a pressure when you want to view a cs for the first time too. Now I just do it, most of the time no one will kick a healer or tank. The party finder is not a viable option for long time experience either imo, especially if your doing roulette for the bonus.

[raela]

Return works in a dungeon to bring you to the start. I use it to enjoy all the signposts at the end at my leisure.

[Cnidarian]

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All of this is false and only leads to creating Prima Donna tanks. The group sets the pace of the dungeon. This is group content, not let's do what ever the tank and/or healer wants to do. If the tank doesn't want a speed run and the other 3 members of the group do want a speed run, then the tank should adhere to that choice. If the tank wants to speed run and the other 3 members do not want to speed run, then the tank should do standard pulls and adhere to the group ruling.

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Again, this is just player preference. Personally when I run content as a healer, I prefer when the tank pulls everything to the gate. My only annoyance is when the tank is a DRK because then I have to wait for their Blood Price to drop before I can go into my holy spam. Benediction is a great tool to use to maximize dps in those situations as you won't really need it on any of the boss fights and since it is % based heal, the potency isn't reduced by being in Cleric Stance.

[NorthernLadMSP]

1) Tanks control the pace of the run.

Wrong. Tanks THINK they control the pace of the run. You can speed off with your bad self, but if DPS and healer sit behind, Mr. Tank isn't gonna get anything accomplished, now is he?

[Canadane]

While I personally don't mind slower runs, especially with a new player, my default speed will be 'maximum fast' so to speak.
That being said, you get a good ten minutes to do whatever you'd like after the final boss dies. You can explore, take in the lore, check out missed treasure chests, whatever you please!