Server rules for different player demographics

[Preypacer]

We need servers with different rulesets. Then everyone can just choose the service they want/prefer instead of having to put up with other people's ideas of a good game which conflict with your own (and the original vision of FFXIV too)

Anyone else get the distinct impression this bit in bold is the real motivation behind this thread? I mean, considering how often "ellohwell" bashes Yoshi's direction and longs for the days that Tanaka was driving the game into the ground with one poorly conceived and almost unanimously derided decision after another?

Basically, there are too many competing interests of FF fans and MMO players that just end up ruining the game overall for everyone. So separate servers with different rulesets are needed.

Could you please, for once, speak for yourself and stop presuming to speak for "everyone"? Is that possible?

No, it does not end up ruining "the game for everyone overall". It only "ruins the game" for those like yourself who think everything should revolve around what they want, or it's no good. It ruins it for those who, like you, refuse accept that there are going to be things in life that they're not going to like - however much they might want to.. and that it's okay; no crime's been committed because some company produced something you don't like. It "ruins it" for people who, like you, refuse to move on from something they clearly and demonstrably do not like, complain about constantly... but yet still stick around, just to complain some more.

Believe it or not, there are who people who, though they may not like everything in the game, can find enough they do like to keep playing and having fun. Believe it or not, there are people out there who find things enjoyable, even though "ellohwell" can't conceive that different opinions really do exist and that others could possibly like something they don't.

They should implement a PvP server, hardcore server, casual server, a server with lighter restrictions (see Optimal Rank and Favoured Class system).

Right. Multiply the task of creating new rulesets, balancing content, balancing classes/jobs and creating different versions of content to cater to each group. Yeah.. sure... let's take the already thankless job SE has of trying to balance the game as well as they can to cover different playstyles in XIV's current form to the satisfaction of as many people as possible... and quadruple it. 'cause, you know... they don't have quite enough whining from folks, like yourself, in the game as it is.

You do realize that everyone has their own idea of what "hardcore", "PvP", "casual" is? There is no "one size fits all" definition. And, no... your definition isn't it.

Do you ever stop to think about some of the stuff you come up with objectively or critically before posting it? Do you even try? Or do you consider every thought you come up with as "brilliant", simply because you thought of it?

And everyone will live happily after.

Conjecture.

It would work great for you. That does not mean it would automatically work great "for everybody".

Again, stop presuming to speak for everyone else.

It's a bit presumptuous to make MMOs around a one-size-fits-all policy.

No, it's not presumptuous. It's called "Nothing is for everybody", a very basic concept that applies to countless things.

SE is creating a specific experience, intended for a specific demographic of people. If you don't happen to fall into that demographic or find that you don't agree with the game they're creating.. that's fine. There are plenty others who do like the direction they're going.

I realize by now, after having read myriad posts/threads by you, that you find it impossible to believe that people could possibly just not automatically agree with everything you say, and that they might actually have different opinions, likes, dislikes and ideas. Now, I realize you find that idea intolerable and unacceptable, and have a history of lashing out at people freely for merely daring to disagree with you.. I've read enough of your stuff here to realize that loud and clear.

But maybe... just maybe... somewhere down the road, when you've grown up, your mind has opened and the blinders have fallen away, you'll realize that no, the world really doesn't revolve around what "elohwell" thinks and, no, you really don't, and couldn't speak for everybody.

[ellohwell]

well if my ideas are "oh so terrible" maybe that's all the more reason to have a server for people like me, so we don't ruin your precious gametime with such ideas.

It's just a practical business solution anyway.

PvP servers are always popular, so it's weird Yoshi doesn't think there would be much call for one.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, there are other demographics that might otherwise enjoy FFXIV which aren't represented with the current ruleset (which keeps changing for the worse and deviating too far from the reason i played FFXIV in the first place).

Anyways, are there or are there not numerous threads calling for more grind, and at the same time, threads calling for less? These incompatible ideas are all the more reason to have a casual and a hardcore server for those who cannot reconcicle themselves to a middle-ground.

Trying to please everyone just dilutes the experience for everyone

[KaiKatzchen]

Trying to please everyone just dilutes the experience for everyone

No one can please everyone! As said before, even if they did your silly idea people would still be complaining. Even if this was the best idea ever to grace these forums people would still complain.

Your idea is just illogical.

That's why I have the sig I have, even Yoshi said it: If you play the game and you like it great, if you don't then you might leave but it's the players decision. So we can go with the flow, like it and play it... or not like it and move on to something else. Personally I love the layout they have, and I enjoy the direction the game is going.

[mysterytaru]

well if my ideas are "oh so terrible" maybe that's all the more reason to have a server for people like me, so we don't ruin your precious gametime with such ideas.

It's just a practical business solution anyway.

PvP servers are always popular, so it's weird Yoshi doesn't think there would be much call for one.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, there are other demographics that might otherwise enjoy FFXIV which aren't represented with the current ruleset (which keeps changing for the worse and deviating too far from the reason i played FFXIV in the first place).

Anyways, are there or are there not numerous threads calling for more grind, and at the same time, threads calling for less? These incompatible ideas are all the more reason to have a casual and a hardcore server for those who cannot reconcicle themselves to a middle-ground.

Trying to please everyone just dilutes the experience for everyone

There is a server for people like you. It's called "Go play another game that already has what you want."

[irongripz]

There is a server for people like you. It's called "Go play another game that already has what you want."

there is servers for people like you its called go play ffxi if you want to play games held back by 10 year old game FLAWS. you refuse to even see what good things other mmos do, or how they work. would rather dismiss and troll someone because they do not share your view. glad we got a GD that has played another mmo besides ffxi.

pvp servers plz

hardcore/soft core por... i mean servers no thanks just make game as challenging as possible

[grandm]

well if my ideas are "oh so terrible" maybe that's all the more reason to have a server for people like me, so we don't ruin your precious gametime with such ideas.

It's just a practical business solution anyway.

PvP servers are always popular, so it's weird Yoshi doesn't think there would be much call for one.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, there are other demographics that might otherwise enjoy FFXIV which aren't represented with the current ruleset (which keeps changing for the worse and deviating too far from the reason i played FFXIV in the first place).

Anyways, are there or are there not numerous threads calling for more grind, and at the same time, threads calling for less? These incompatible ideas are all the more reason to have a casual and a hardcore server for those who cannot reconcicle themselves to a middle-ground.

Trying to please everyone just dilutes the experience for everyone

lol you will end up playing on a server by yourself. but anyway just for one minute forget about SE and final fantasy. every company that gets to a certain size does market research. the problem with these forums (not FF forums but forums full stop) is not only the company but also the customer can see the feedback. which would be ok but ppl twist it to what they want it to means. alot of ppl want PvP. a lot don't. a lot want hardcore party play. a lot want casual solo. a lot want dragoons to have pets (sorry i mean a couple want dragoon pets) a lot don't. ppl having opinions likes and dislikes, are not new. what is new is the way we can all see what eachother wants. it would be impossible for SE to please us all. so we are just going to have to live with the fact some parts of the game will appeal to us and we will love it. some parts will not and we will have to put up with it. it could be worse, you could hate everything. in this case find another game