Does FF14 needs a new small race?

[Samcaesar]

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I've said it before and will continue to say it forever, they really should've done a Highlander/Midlander thing with the Au Ra, Xaela have big, buff, scary men and women with low sexual dimoprhism and the Raen being small, cutesy men and women with low sexual dimorphism.
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On topic- A small race would be okayish as long as it was low in sexual dimorphism (No regular sized dudes and tiny women please) as long as I knew the next one in a year or so would be another race low in sexual dimorphism with big, broad scary men and women. Hopefully they could get "Small" without it looking like a child. And just a reminder, "Loli" doesn't mean child, it means a porn genre that sexualizes little girls >_> Please do not use it.

[Greedalox]

And just a reminder, "Loli" doesn't mean child, it means a porn genre that sexualizes little girls >_>

Lalafel already skirt the line depending how a player chooses to dress themself, and they are described as childlike. Loli'esque races have been a thing in MMO's before, it's a real possibility in all regards so I'll keep using the term- even if Lalafels and other MMO's races aren't actually children. Besides, Lolicon even uses the term "Childlike" or "girls with youthful characteristics" in it's opening description in all the sources I'm reading from, not necessarily chronologically and hormonally a child.

[Underdog2204]

Lalafel already skirt the line depending how a player chooses to dress themself, and they are described as childlike. Loli'esque races have been a thing in MMO's before, it's a real possibility in all regards so I'll keep using the term- even if Lalafels and other MMO's races aren't actually children. Besides, Lolicon even uses the term "Childlike" or "girls with youthful characteristics" in it's opening description in all the sources I'm reading from, not necessarily chronologically and hormonally a child.

It's creepy as hell no matter how it's distinguished.

It's even more creepy when people request it's inclusion in games. I'm not big on the whole "well they are classed as adults" excuse usually given too... They still look like children.

[Greedalox]

It's creepy as hell no matter how it's distinguished.

Amen.

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[Samcaesar]

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It's still not an appropriate term. It's not about whether or not they are actual children, it's specifically about using and normalizing a term that's about sexualizing children, which is a bad thing. Of course it uses the terms "Childlike" and stuff, it's porn specifically about sexualizing children that might want to skirt around that fact. The term originally came from Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita about an adult man lusting after and eventually raping 12 year old girl, so using it to describe a small race isn't a good thing. Even if you want a more neoteny orientated race just say "Youthful" or something akin, as opposed to a term about a genre of porn.

It's creepy as hell no matter how it's distinguished.

It's even more creepy when people request it's inclusion in games. I'm not big on the whole "well they are classed as adults" excuse usually given too... They still look like children.

Agreed.

[Greedalox]

It's still not an appropriate term. It's not about whether or not they are actual children, it's specifically about using and normalizing a term that's about sexualizing children, which is a bad thing. Of course it uses the terms "Childlike" and stuff, it's porn specifically about sexualizing children that might want to skirt around that fact. The term originally came from Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita about an adult man lusting after and eventually raping 12 year old girl, so using it to describe a small race isn't a good thing. Even if you want a more neoteny orientated race just say "Youthful" or something akin, as opposed to a term about a genre of porn.

May I ask what the difference between using the words "Sexualizing childlike characters" and "Loli" in terms of discussion on a forum is? Using a word doesn't normalize it, especially when it's used in negative context- disapproving of it's addition. The term is fine because it perfectly explains the potential problem in full and in one word (That's a benefit to language, a paragraph in a word), they have existed in MMO's and other games before.

If using a fitting word to describe something negative was normalization, then lefties would be creating a multitude of problems with terms like Rape, as by your logic it would perpetuate it or normalize it. It's nothing more than a word meant to describe more than it's 4 letters would imply.

[Khalithar]

So something between Lalafell and midlander in height? That could definitely work and it would certainly be different enough from what we have if designed properly.

[Greedalox]

I'd prefer something less Loli or generally regarded as "cute" for a new small race. Making a Lala with ears wouldn't exactly bring anything to the races that the gold saucer with Bunny Ears doesn't already.

[TankHunter678]

Make a race that is around the size of female Au Ra which is the 2nd shortest race/gender combo. That way you can have a race that is short and not loli flat unless you want to shrink the bust that much.

[Somewarlock84]

As long as it looks someplace between a beast tribe race and a player race I'll be happy. And I don't mean adding animal parts to a human like Miqoute and Au Ra.
Short races can be fun but being that child like looking gets into weird areas.