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スレッド: Astro is way to OP

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    Player
    Glenfiddich's Avatar
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    黒魔道士 Lv 100

    Astro is way to OP

    Many times i've seen a Astro and one Player from his Group keeping 4 or 5 Enemies busy.
    They yare jumping around like crazy because they have lots of fun knowing that you can't harm them.
    Also you can see Astros storming at a Enemies Base alone. They don't care if there are 3 or 4 enemies. That's anoying because you have to fight them if you don't want to loose your Base. In the Meanwhile you can't help your group and time is ticking if they stole your Base. Why is that? Why is a class nearly invulnerable?
    Honestly, if I see a Astro in the future I don't waste my time fighting them.
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    Dimitrii's Avatar
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Quote 引用元:Glenfiddich 投稿を閲覧
    Many times i've seen a Astro and one Player from his Group keeping 4 or 5 Enemies busy.
    They yare jumping around like crazy because they have lots of fun knowing that you can't harm them.
    Also you can see Astros storming at a Enemies Base alone. They don't care if there are 3 or 4 enemies. That's anoying because you have to fight them if you don't want to loose your Base. In the Meanwhile you can't help your group and time is ticking if they stole your Base. Why is that? Why is a class nearly invulnerable?
    Honestly, if I see a Astro in the future I don't waste my time fighting them.
    Those are 3 to 5 crap dps then cause no, AST got nerfed hard already and cannot kite 3 competent dps by themselves indefinitely, let alone 5. The job is fine as is.
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    TiaHariberux3's Avatar
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    with well time stuns you can kill most ast who jump around alone as melee and 2-3 competent dps are enough for every ast
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    Glenfiddich's Avatar
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    Quote 引用元:Dimitrii 投稿を閲覧
    AST got nerfed hard already...
    Really? Damn. I can't remember that I have had sooo much troubles with them at Frontlines. But I believe you.
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    Quote 引用元:Glenfiddich 投稿を閲覧
    Really? Damn. I can't remember that I have had sooo much troubles with them at Frontlines. But I believe you.
    Yeah before Feast came out (or maybe on the update with Feast? I dont remember) the potency of the nocturnal shields were halved iirc (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on how much it was nerfed by but it was definitely nerfed). They were much stronger before.
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    Eorzean_username's Avatar
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    Azephia Dawn
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    Gilgamesh
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    召喚士 Lv 90
    Quote 引用元:Dimitrii 投稿を閲覧
    Yeah before Feast came out (or maybe on the update with Feast? I dont remember) the potency of the nocturnal shields were halved iirc (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on how much it was nerfed by but it was definitely nerfed). They were much stronger before.
    It looks like that was Patch 3.2:
    The effect of Nocturnal Field will be halved in PvP areas.
    AST did get a slight buff in 3.3:
    edited with Thekk's correction
    Aspected Helios (aoe barrier)
    Damage nullified by the magicked barrier erected when Nocturnal Sect is active has been increased from 100% to 120% of the amount of HP restored
    ... but I don't know how that affects AST killability, since I spend my time chain-stunning them while relying on the DPS near me for the finish.

    Anecdotally though, if I'm with 1-2+ DPS that know what they're doing and I can keep the control up (CC not DR'd) the AST will melt before I can even run out of Stun DR.

    If I'm with DPS that maybe aren't so experienced (putting it gently here) then yes, the AST will just slip through the CC and keep running in circles, but from my perspective that seems justified (we botched the kill).
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    2016/06/26 11:21; Eorzean_username が最後に編集

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    Thekk Everdream
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    Brynhildr
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    学者 Lv 60
    Quote 引用元:Eorzean_username 投稿を閲覧
    AST did get a slight buff in 3.3
    The 120% buff was only for Aspected Helios (AoE) and not Aspected Benefit (single target) which remains at a 168.75 potency shield in PvP (67.5% of 250). Spamming only Aspected Benefit on yourself won't keep you alive long if the dps is anything decent, you'll need to stop and get some Benefic II out. One definitive advantage Astrologians have in PvP comes in the form of Lightspeed which lets them cast their bigger heals instantly. However, that only lasts for 10 seconds, or 15 if it is extended with Celestial Opposition, which is usually a good idea if you have people on you. It has a 2 mins 30 cooldown. There is also the chance that they have drawn a Bole, which slightly reduces damage taken.

    In terms of pure healing output, White Mage has the upper hand, but it comes at a cost of mobility they lack compared to Astrologian. Scholars have their fairy and Lustrate, but really they could use some help at the moment.
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