Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Causality]

It is Poor Etiquette, nothing more.

There is no difference between pulling early and eating the last of the donuts at a meeting.

It is there for the first person with enough balls to grab and take it.

That said, I usually wait for a good group to arrive before I pull, and I leave the last donut alone. The latter because I've probably eaten two by then anyway.

[Blackbird1]

Then this is fair to wait, not an hour but 5 real minutes. The people who come pull don't have any kind of excuse. They are early-puller. If they weren't any early-pullers, why people use their pet to pull? Are you sure such pull is fair, is not an early-pull? I got some doubt, you see.

I've already seen players who pull just because they don't want to wait and like to troll other players. Despite the fact they didn't do any kind of active hunt. They were leechers but wanted to bother other people.

Agreed you get those guys who sit in city states watching the hunt linkshells then when a hunt is called they run out to location and pull the second they arrive just to troll.Early pullers will continue to do this because they know people will jump in to save them and pull aggro off early pulls would be considered (people who pull to troll when linkshells don't all report at the instant a hunt is found there are load times because everyone who is actually looking/attempting to spawn a hunt has to make their way to said location. this is an early pull those who pull but didn't do any of the work for it) i also remember people giving pull times and people agreed with them judging pt's add to hunt loc as fair

[Kosmos992k]

What? Since when are people finding hunts for me? News to me.

LOL! I must have missed that memo too.

They're so altruistic. It's all for the benefit of others, and has nothing to do with their own selfish desires...Have you ever watched that TV show - Mystery Diners - where they use hidden cameras and actors to smoke out cheating employees at restaurants? Almost invariably the wrong doer will claim that they were only doing it to benefit the business, or as a surprise for the owner, despite the fact that it was obviously all about enriching their own pocket. Every time one of these hunt threads comes up and someone claims that hunt parties are doing this for everyone, I am reminded of the targets of the Mystery Diners...

[FawkesSake]

Hunting Linkshells were made to increase the amount of hunts/per player, one could recieve. You share your hunts because you receive more hunts. At ZERO detriment to you or anyone else. Quid, pro, quo. Win-win.

You want to be a scavanger rather than a hunter? That's your business. But it costs nothing, metaphorically or literally, to help someone out.

In short:
Pro's of early pulling: slightly less waiting around, you still get the items/currency/points
Pro's of waiting 2~mins: More hunters to call out hunts, more incentive to hunt, higher chance of everyone getting seals/tomestones for gear/items/relics, music, mats, achievements... and most importantly - A horde of people not getting pissed off because someone can't wait 2~minutes extra on a 3 day cooldown hunt

2 gil, placed. I won't be needing any change. Thanks for listening, and Hopefully Happy Hunting!

[Hitsuzen]

This is a fight between people who think they should be able to exhibit antisocial behavior and not get any kind of backlash from it and people who are more understanding and empathetic.

Selfish people will always defend themselves. Whereas empathetic people will acknowlege the points of the selfish person then try to explain why they should be more understanding.

Are we apes that play dominance games and throw fecies or are we civilized mature human beings?

[Gramul]

I mean, it can be rude for sure, but that's why communication is key.
It's real stupid to get mad when you haven't made your intentions clear. People can't read your mind.

That goes for real life too. Y'all make sure to not stand around waiting for someone else to speak up and get offended when someone else takes charge.

[FawkesSake]

"a group of hunters have tracked a large stag, and found it to follow a certain path. If all the hunters work together, they can kill the stag and all eat. If they are discovered, or do not cooperate, the stag will flee, and all will go hungry.

The hunters hide and wait along a path. An hour goes by, with no sign of the stag. Hours pass, with no trace. The stag may not pass every day, but the hunters are reasonably certain that it will come. However, a hare is seen by all hunters moving along the path.

If a hunter leaps out and kills the hare, he will eat. However, it results in the trap laid for the stag to be wasted, and the others will starve. There is no certainty that the stag will arrive; the hare is present. The dilemma is that if one hunter waits, he risks one of his fellows killing the hare for himself, sacrificing everyone else. This makes the risk twofold; risk the stag never coming, or risk another man taking the kill."

[KageTokage]

I'd personally define an "early pull" as someone pulling after others have clearly made it know that they're still on the way to the hunt in shout chat. People shouldn't be getting mad if the hunt gets killed before they reach it but didn't let anyone know they were coming.

But really, the fault doesn't lie solely with the puller, as the other players could hold off/slow their DPS if they know others are coming. It's not like one tank has any chance of depriving a whole mob of people of their hunt credit and a single DPS will get killed by the boss rather quickly if no one else jumps in to take aggro.

I have to deal with this a lot being one of the few players who actively spawns/calls S ranks on Cactaur, and people generally are willing to wait a few minutes, though there's often one of those guys who pulls the boss the moment they arrive to get it over with and/or irritate the people who frown on such behavior.

[Furiea]

someone hang the guy that bumped this dead old thread...

[Kosmos992k]

someone hang the guy that bumped this dead old thread...

Reticle the topic;

Necroposting contentious threads - is it wrong?