Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[MeiUshu]

This thread is going to places.

I bet the majority of people arguing in this thread also were here in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.1, and will probably be here repeating the same arguments in 3.5, 4.1, 4.3, 4.5, 5.1 [...]

Just move on, the system isn't perfect but isn't broken, this is the drawback you have to face for having the possibility of unlimited twines when the other two options (wiping city / midas savage) have a weekly lockout.

If you don't like it, every single time the hunts went relevant their activity died like a month and a half later and 3.3 will be no difference, so bosses will die slower and you will have higher chances. And if you don't like that then it's time to upgrade your PC or be the one who spawns them instead of sitting out waiting for calls.

100% this !

[Drkdays]

100% this !

^ How to win an argument without actually proving a point. "Nothing changed in the past and we survived, so it can't be that bad. Your argument is irrelevant."

[LaylaTsarra]

^ How to win an argument without actually proving a point. "Nothing changed in the past and we survived, so it can't be that bad. Your argument is irrelevant."

Got to love people who defend selfish behavior. Does someone have to wait with the chat box full of people on the way, no. Would it be courteous to do so, yes. And yeah, hunts are relevant again and so selfish people are empowered once more. Will they go away, yes, once they have what THEY want.

[Mimoza]

I'll maybe act like devil's advocat but sometimes it is necessary to pull when a decent amount of ppl arrived in front of the boss. Why ? Simply because when we wait too long the amount of ppl in the same area is exceeding server capacity and most of the hunters get a D/C mark over their head leading to disconnect and most fail to get a reward even if they were the very first persons to be in front of the boss.
Such things happend many times.
But well, i don't see the point to witch hunt the ninja pullers, hunt monsters are always respawning after a while, it's not like you'll never be able to kill one again if you miss it once... And if you track timers properly you can easily be in time to 70% of the A ranks at the moment they are getting found.

[Drkdays]

It's the people who wake up in the morning and log in with the intent of messing with other players without fear of repercussions while also lining their own pockets that need to be stopped. I don't want to and I shouldn't have to wait till they've had their "fun".

[Cipher_Zaabiz]

If early pullers were alone, they would just die by the mob. If you want to change things, then let the "early pullers" die, when they pull the mob instead of pounding at it and then push all the responsibility to them.

I kinda see it as hypocritical, so this whole conversation strikes me as one for the purpose of shaming others for the own disability you show.

[NaesakiAshwell]

If early pullers were alone, they would just die by the mob. If you want to change things, then let the "early pullers" die, when they pull the mob instead of pounding at it and then push all the responsibility to them.

I kinda see it as hypocritical, so this whole conversation strikes me as one for the purpose of shaming others for the own disability you show.

Thing is when there is an early pull, the people who are standing there waiting. 9x out of 10 they will simply panic and zerg rush the mob because they don't want to lose out so very rarely will the early puller die unless its literally in a situation at say an HW S and only 5 people have got there or something when its pulled.

[Neophyte]

If early pullers were alone, they would just die by the mob. If you want to change things, then let the "early pullers" die, when they pull the mob instead of pounding at it and then push all the responsibility to them.

I kinda see it as hypocritical, so this whole conversation strikes me as one for the purpose of shaming others for the own disability you show.

I think I can beat almost every old A-Rank together with a chocobo (you could already solo marberry ages ago) and almost every new one with a group of 2-3, you just have to bring stuns/silence/etc. if needed.

[MeiUshu]

^ How to win an argument without actually proving a point. "Nothing changed in the past and we survived, so it can't be that bad. Your argument is irrelevant."

nver said that at all.. All I said is you cannot shame someone for doing somethign that he has the right to do just because you dont like it...that is a very dumb mentality to have. Until he is proven to have done something illegalt (understand against the set rules) no matter if you like him dont like him or what not, he is entitled to do it. The fact that you find it immoral, stupid, dumb, whatever is totally irrilevant. Or are you saying that rules in place should not be followed because you dont like thme ? you know, those are not to be followed only when suit you/are in your favour, at times you may not like them but they still need to be followed and respected whether you like it or not. Besides you should know that history repeats itself. Zerks fest happened, they annoy me too, but until SE decides to change the set rules...people can do it, is within their rights and we can only respect that.

On the other hand ....still no answers . : can you tell me what is the right number of minutes that would be right to wait and why?

[Lewtskie]

If early pullers were alone, they would just die by the mob. If you want to change things, then let the "early pullers" die, when they pull the mob instead of pounding at it and then push all the responsibility to them.

I kinda see it as hypocritical, so this whole conversation strikes me as one for the purpose of shaming others for the own disability you show.

Can't expect that level of forward thinking with these folks. They talk about how the community needs to come together and share and yadda-yadda but no bit of trying to send the message to the right people of "Hey, if that guy pulls, then just let him die." Despite the majority, they let one single entity hold control. And the truth with that is most people already there want to just kill it and move on. Idling there waiting for slow ass people 10-15 minutes later sucks, but the social toxicity of these "good people" keeps them at bay. So when one person actually decides to move on then they can just go with the flow.

I used to play on a very bad laptop because that is all I could afford. I remember when hunts first came out and I was suuuuuper excited for them. Then reality struck and the "good people" showed how terrible they were. Where my poor laptop could handle a small group that found a hunt, it couldn't handle a quarter of the server there. So when my little group began becoming the "toxic" people that just wanted to play the game over the folks who decided I didn't get to have credit because fuckers demand to wait, I gave up for the most part. There were times when given the size of a group already and I could sense more incoming I would pull, or I would convince others to pull. People who knew my position and who gave a fuck would pull. Because I was already there, and had been since the beginning because I was a scouter.

And I'm not along on this. Anyone with a bad PC or playing on the ps3 deal with this situation. But fuck them because of someone else, right? It's as you say; it's all hypocrisy.