Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[MeiUshu]

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But it is ruled, that is what you dont understand, it is ruled that is not against any rules to pull whenever you are in front of a hunt, simple. Do I agree with that mentality ? no,but is only a question of moral responsability and as you know morality varies from people to people.

You want it the way you want it because that is what YOU deem it should be like so in essence you are trying to impose to the rest your vision of what this hunt should be like...he is there nothing forbids him to do so, nothing forces him to join any groups (for your information I often do hunts alone because groups dont bother should I not hunt if I am not in a group? because in essence is what you said) to do the hunt, nothing forces him to wait, no rules nothing, YOU want a ruling because YOU are annoyed, where as he is not..and I am pretty sure that if you did the same and he was late he would not complain now if you choose not to do the same that is YOUR decision but you cant blame someone else to do somethign that is ALLOWED, you know the word ALLOWED. I agree morally there is a kind of sort of modicum that should be respected but nobody is FORCED to abide by a rule that is written nowhere..eh?

You speak of socialism but screaming like you do calls for rulling, not him, YOU call for it, YOU call for a rulling and you are going to scream on any rulling about hunts when and if they happen and going to blame all the rest BUT yourself about said rulling when in truth you would be one of the major reasons why it was put in place in the first place.

Again, I am not in agreement but you cant blame someone to do something that is allowed to do..Tough on those that are not there. Nothing forbids those to use spreadsheets/linshells/ friends/huntsyou name it themselves to find that hunt why should you rely on chat to join a hunt ? I am also against the mentality of...*anyway I will wait for others to find the hunt and I dont have to do it myself* and those that abid by that rule shoudl all be chatized because is pure lazyness in my opinion. Is that fun to do what he does ? to me is not but to him is..who are you to tell to someone that he cant have his fun..his fun is NOT in pulling (people acting like him is not the action that is the fun but the consequence) his fun is seeing the rage that follows his pulling, if you stopped raging and just played along without saying a word instead of fueling him and giving him a reason to continue doing what you complain he is doing, he would stop after a while why ? because is no fun anymore...ever thought of that ?

I will say it again I dont agree with what he does but he has the right to do it. So either play along, do the same, or just find something else.. There will always be jerks, there will always be silly people, but as long as they play by the rules in place, there is no reasons for you to complain just because YOU didnt get your fill of seals and what not.

Just my opinion, of course (and yeah I am strange)

[Gallus]

but you cant blame someone to do something that is allowed to do..

Being allowed to do something doesn't always mean it's not miserable.

his fun is seeing the rage that follows his pulling, if you stopped raging and just played along without saying a word instead of fueling him and giving him a reason to continue doing what you complain he is doing, he would stop after a while why ? because is no fun anymore...ever thought of that ?

Because how half server reacts is totally on my hands. It's far more reasonable to ask hundreds of people that may be different in every hunt perfect coordination and a cold mind not to press a single skill out of their hotbars rather than telling a single individual not to trigger the masses. We can't even expect one individual behave let's better try doing so with thousands of players.

or just find something else..

I did, I'm not after hunts anymore.

There will always be jerks, there will always be silly people, but as long as they play by the rules in place, there is no reasons for you to complain just because YOU didnt get your fill of seals and what not.

Not the reason, at all. Gonna say it again this isn't about my seals or my tomes, it's about for instance spending 20 minutes trying to catch a fish so that as many people can benefit from an S and seeing the entire thing become a drama with the same ***** as the main character over and over again.

there is no reasons for you to complain

You are writing an entire wall of text to justify the actions of someone who is acting like a complete douche yet I have no reason or right to even say I find his attitude detrimental.

[ElHeggunte]

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Griefing is against the rules. Pulling early specifically because you know it'll piss off and screw over other player is griefing. The player Gallus described is breaking the rules with his early pulling.

[MeiUshu]

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you can argue as much as you want...is still allowed and whether you find it stupid, dumb, detrimental and stuff alike is STILL allowed. YOu have to accept that fact...The only thing you can do is complain to SE because THEY set the rules and tell them how silly it is and better yet, because all I have heard you say is complain, offer a solution I have yet to see something like that from you.

Yes you are right, I am defending his right to do what he is allowed to do. I dont agree with it but he has the right to do it and shaming him for doing what he is allowed to do is WRONG very wrong and diffamatory in some ways.

You are complaining of a rule that doesnt suit you..should all the rules be adapted to your wish ? because that is what you are saying. You want stuff to be made in such way that they comply with your vision ..but you are not alone as you could read in this thread many dont find anything wrong in his attitude but I personally find a lot wrong with yours trying to shame someone for I will repeat it again DOING SOMETHING THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO DO.

Try to think a bit and come up with complains that are factually some and not some childish stuff over some even more childish stuff coming from childish people.

@ElHeggunte

What he does is not griffing...he is attacking an hunt without waiting people.. ohh mean the emotes ? you shoudl forbid those too? right ?

[Corfish]

While early pulling might be annoying, keep in mind: Most people doing hunts are leeches. The people who are actually out looking for the hunts will very rarely suffer from an early pull. The only people who can't benefit from them are the people who hear about them through relays. If you are not the finder of a particular hunt then you should not be upset if you do not get full credit for it. Most people doing hunts never bother actually hunting. I've stopped going to hunts myself because of the fact I don't look for them myself anymore, and I don't want to feel like a leech on other people's work.

[Brian_]

The person that Gallus described has every right to grief people by early pulling.

Everyone else also has every right to black list him, contact the leaders of all the major Hunt LSs to have him kicked and ostracized, and notify his FC of his toxicity. At least in the Hunt LSs I'm in, if you are a routine early-puller that admits to doing so for the purpose of griefing, you would be instant kicked.

You obviously have the right to do many things in this game. But, you also have to pay the price for your actions.

[alimdia]

This thread is going to places.

I bet the majority of people arguing in this thread also were here in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.1, and will probably be here repeating the same arguments in 3.5, 4.1, 4.3, 4.5, 5.1 [...]

Just move on, the system isn't perfect but isn't broken, this is the drawback you have to face for having the possibility of unlimited twines when the other two options (wiping city / midas savage) have a weekly lockout.

If you don't like it, every single time the hunts went relevant their activity died like a month and a half later and 3.3 will be no difference, so bosses will die slower and you will have higher chances. And if you don't like that then it's time to upgrade your PC or be the one who spawns them instead of sitting out waiting for calls.

[Gallus]

you can argue as much as you want...is still allowed and whether you find it stupid, dumb, detrimental and stuff alike is STILL allowed.

I never said the opposite, I don't know if it's allowed or if it's reportable? This wasn't even the point I was trying to make, I wasn't hating on SE for not banning "early pullers" or w/e, it just sort of disappoints me how certain individuals behave, the title of the thread lead me to think this was sort of a "morale thread" about hunts and "early pulling", I did not see this thread as a place to post possible solutions to a "problem" that is for some even not considered a problem.

and shaming him for doing what he is allowed to do is WRONG very wrong and diffamatory in some ways.

I did not shame him and I do not approve people calling him out, but I still find what's hes doing terrible. My only message to him was "out of curiosity, why?". His answer was "fun". My interaction with this player started and ended right there.

You are complaining of a rule that doesnt suit you..should all the rules be adapted to your wish ? because that is what you are saying.

No it is not xD...oh hell, lmao...I was merely pointing out how "morally incorrect" it is for a player to do what this guy's been doing, as stated above, reading the topic title I thought this was a morale thread.

You want stuff to be made in such way that they comply with your vision ..but you are not alone as you could read in this thread many dont find anything wrong in his attitude but I personally find a lot wrong with yours trying to shame someone for I will repeat it again DOING SOMETHING THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO DO.

What he does is not griffing...he is attacking an hunt without waiting people.. ohh mean the emotes ? you shoudl forbid those too? right ?

Find me a single post, a single damn post where I'm saying someone should be banned or something should be forbidden.

[MeiUshu]

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This I can agree to an extend only, just careful as it could be seen as persecution if he reports you, you (general you) might end up in troubles.

There is what is allowed and what is not, is easy to fall into the *what is not* while thinking doing what is.

For the rest...I can agree with that, people as individual can decide if to accept or not..but then you shouldnt speak in chat either and announce hunts in chat, not that he needs any from the looks of it, he might have a spreadsheet or something that he did himself or found on internet that tells when and where it shows up on top of the chat soo blacklisting will forbid you to hear him but he can still do what he does..and still within rules and he doesnt need anybody to do it, so not sure is going to be a huge bother....why not simply do what is allowed to do, blacklist, not persecute, and hunt as he does...

STILL nobody has answered me : what is the right number of minutes acceptable to wait before pulling ? there doesnt seem to be a concensus on that either, maybe you should find a concensus, make a proposition and have it passed as a rule....and THEN you will have ground to complain

[MeiUshu]

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I never said you did say that I just ...extrapolated to show how silly some stuff is, some accused him (albeit veiled) to grief ( you (general you )cant say he is allowed to grief as such is kind of non sense, knowing that griefing is NOT allowed)...so my comment was kind of sarcastic, saying that anything that will come from him even if perfectly ok will be source of problems and a reason to *shout* against that person...I took the emote thing to emphasize that point...which it seems I was right on spot....