Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[MomomiMomi]

that alone makes console players miss more than the half of the hunts.

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you. That means that what you said earlier is wrong:

My concern isn't about getting to the hunt or not getting to the hunt because an early puller

Not getting to the hunt because of an early puller IS your concern.

[Gallus]

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you. That means that what you said earlier is wrong:
Not getting to the hunt because of an early puller IS your concern.

I don't even know what you are trying to prove or what your point is...
I'm concerned about the distress and toxicity a certain player I mentioned is causing on my server yes, but I'm not concerned about me personally missing a hunt here or there, I just cannot stomach this guy, and if you read what I've written (seeing how all you do is quote specific sentences I have my doubts) you'll notice I have my reasons.

[MomomiMomi]

I don't even know what you are trying to prove or what your point is...
I'm concerned about the distress and toxicity a certain player I mentioned is causing on my server yes, but I'm not concerned about me personally missing a hunt here or there, I just cannot stomach this guy, and if you read what I've written (seeing how all you do is quote specific sentences I have my doubts) you'll notice I have my reasons.

The distress that it's causing is because people can't get to a hunt. Therefore, your issue with an early puller is because people can't get to a hunt because of them. It may not be because you can't get to a hunt, but it's because someone can't get to a hunt.

In other words, people need to stop being butthurt just because they didn't make it to a hunt.

[FinaSel]

The distress that it's causing is because people can't get to a hunt. Therefore, your issue with an early puller is because people can't get to a hunt because of them. It may not be because you can't get to a hunt, but it's because someone can't get to a hunt.

In other words, people need to stop being butthurt just because they didn't make it to a hunt.

Isn't it a violation of the TOS to deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment of the game. Especially if other people have already TOLD him that he is doing just that and his response is he is doing it for "fun".

I'm not in this server and don't know the details, but judging from the number of people who seem to be affected by his actions, and the fact that he clearly knows what he is doing it causing trouble YET finds pleasure in causing trouble for others is a prime example of deliberately taking actions to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others.

And what's just as puzzling as his actions is that there are people who support this? Why?

These people are not just upset because they couldn't get to a hunt. It's because someone continues to prevent them from getting to any hunt simply for his own enjoyment.

[Kerii]

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If they are doing it intentionally, and you can prove that they are only doing it to prevent others from participating, you may report them. However, the problem (as I mentioned many posts back) is that you have to be able to prove that they are doing it intentionally. Also, what you describe at first is "Disruption", the person you refer sounds like a griefer. Griefers tend to take advantage of broken mechanics in games in order to outright torture other players. Because it is considered a type of cheating and disruption they're probably more likely to get banned. You'll still have to prove it though.

[MomomiMomi]

Isn't it a violation of the TOS to deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment of the game. Especially if other people have already TOLD him that he is doing just that and his response is he is doing it for "fun".

Let me try to put this into a way that makes sense. I can deliberately buy a house in this game, just for fun, and that could interfere with the enjoyment of the game of another player.

Is me buying the house a violation of the ToS?

[FinaSel]

Let me try to put this into a way that makes sense. I can deliberately buy a house in this game, just for fun, and that could interfere with the enjoyment of the game of another player.

Is me buying the house a violation of the ToS?

If you are buying a house with the specific purpose of making others angry because that is fun for you, then I would classify it as such if I were a GM.
Also, there is a pretty big difference between buying a house once and doing an action repeatedly...over and over again...
If you were buying all of the houses every time one was available, like it seems like this guy is doing with hunts to prevent others from getting them, wouldn't you classify that as deliberately interfering with other's enjoyment?
This person didn't just do this with 1 hunt one time. It appears like he is doing it all the time.

I think you missed a key point of my post. "To deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment".

Not "that could interfere with the enjoyment" as you said in your post. Something that "could interfere" and "doing something TO interfere" are two completely different things.

Another person who is in that server said they asked the person to stop and asked why they were doing that. That poster said the person said they were "doing it for fun".
I don't remember the original post because it was a few pages back.

[Cakekizyy]

If you are buying a house with the specific purpose of making others angry because that is fun for you, then I would classify it as such if I were a GM.

I think you missed a key point of my post. "To deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment".

Not "that could interfere with the enjoyment" as you said in your post. Something that "could interfere" and "doing something TO interfere" are two completely different things.

I would say think intention is irrelevant if the act itself is not against rules.

[MomomiMomi]

If you are buying a house with the specific purpose of making others angry because that is fun for you, then I would classify it as such if I were a GM.

I think you missed a key point of my post. "To deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment".

Not "that could interfere with the enjoyment" as you said in your post. Something that "could interfere" and "doing something TO interfere" are two completely different things.

But he said he was doing it for fun. Not to interfere. Fun, as in the reason we play this game.

When I go after a hunt, it's usually for fun, yes.

I assume you're just being a troll, but you do realize that when you do some thing that ticks many people off and reply, "It was for fun, it's just a game bro." You are admitting that you're doing it on purpose, and will have a negative effect.

That wasn't the reply. The reply was "fun." Anything more is reading into what he said.

[Brian_]

Let me try to put this into a way that makes sense. I can deliberately buy a house in this game, just for fun, and that could interfere with the enjoyment of the game of another player.

Is me buying the house a violation of the ToS?

I don't think you have any argument. Numerous GMs and even Yoshida himself have clarified their stance on griefing over and over again.

Just recently they've said that reselling a house for an exorbitant mark-up is not okay. Previously GMs have said that doing so is an abuse of the existing system and a violation of the ToS.

If you haven't realized, their ToS is purposefully vague so that it can be applied to these situations.

It's the same as parsing. Yoshida has said that they have no problem with it as long as it's not used for harassment.

Again, they trust that players are civil in their behavior. Even if what you're doing falls into the gray-zone of legality, as long as it does not cross that line of civility, they generally let players handle it themselves.