Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Gallus]

I do hunts, I play on Ragnarok and I have no idea who your talking about so 'everyone knows him' is not true. I highly doubt any single individual can be at every hunt and be the person who pulls at each. It is not griefing to pull at any given time, it might be stupid to pull when not enough people are there because you will just die though. It is however harassment if name shame with shouts as a way to single someone out for abuse and such, it is harassment to send abusive tells to someone and it is harassment to keep resetting a hunt to prevent people from killing it. Those three things are reportable.

Pulling and not waiting for you/me and/or your/my friends is not. I personally wait a few minutes after enough people have turned up to actually beat the target but I will not wait there all day for stragglers and there is no official amount of time anyone has to wait. If I do not make it in time I don't get my knickers in a twist over it though, I am not entitled to force everyone to wait for me and if I see anyone name shaming someone as a way to target them for abuse I will report the person name shaming. To be honest there is way too many people hiding behind the excuse of "consideration" or using the term "early pulling" as a smoke screen for actually meaning "they never waited for me" in here.

They don't wait for me either and quite often I don't make it in time but so be it, no big deal. I have no intention of harassing people over it. Hunt mobs are not finite, they spawn all over Eorzea, most spawn every few hours in regards to A ranks, the S spawn generally every day or two days but they also require more people to actually kill it so people wait longer for people to arrive on those. It would be nice if SE added more hunt mobs in this game and maybe increase the spawn rate, remove the link to gear progression so that people only do them because they enjoy doing them, perhaps introduce a level sync to them too but I am not entitled to take part in every one that spawns plus I don't get to dictate how long everyone should wait and neither does anyone else here.

You are assuming a bit too much from my post. My concern isn't about getting to the hunt or not getting to the hunt because an early puller, things aren't just fine as long as I can get my seals just like things aren't horrible and unplayable if someone pulls and I cannot get any credit, my two lines of post weren't a butthurt reaction from a few missed seals, no. I'm not gonna deny "early pulling" for some people directly translates into "don't pull until I get there", but not for me. In Ragnarok there's one specific alliance that has been causing a lot of grief in this particular area, and there's one specific guy from that alliance which takes things to a complete next level. There's always gonna be that guy or that group of people who always complain about people not waiting (even though they did wait), but when you have someone doing it every time and making a sport out of it, then it feels wrong, very wrong. The "how much time is acceptable and not considered early pulling" sort of reasoning does not work here if the person in question does not even wait 1 second every time.

[MomomiMomi]

My concern isn't about getting to the hunt or not getting to the hunt because an early puller. . . I'm not gonna deny "early pulling" for some people directly translates into "don't pull until I get there", but not for me. In Ragnarok there's one specific alliance that has been causing a lot of grief in this particular area

You're skipping some logic here. Why is him "pulling early" causing grief? Answer that, and you will find the logic you have chosen to skip.

If early pulling wasn't wrong it wouldn't be reportable.

Good thing it's not then.

[Gallus]

You're skipping some logic here. Why is him "pulling early" causing grief? Answer that, and you will find the logic you have chosen to skip.

"The citizens were on one boat, and the criminals were on the other. The Joker revealed that there are two bombs on each boat and each boat has a detonator to the other. He gave them an ultimatum: if neither the citizens nor the criminals blow the other up by midnight, the Joker will blow up both ships."

Kinda reminds me how The Joker triggers his stuff and watches everything burn later. I guess he is a cool dude after all, the citizens are the true evil ones.

[MomomiMomi]

"The citizens were on one boat, and the criminals were on the other. The Joker revealed that there are two bombs on each boat and each boat has a detonator to the other. He gave them an ultimatum: if neither the citizens nor the criminals blow the other up by midnight, the Joker will blow up both ships."

Kinda reminds me how The Joker triggers his stuff and watches everything burn later. I guess he is a cool dude after all, the citizens are the true evil ones.

O...kay. So why is him pulling early causing grief?

[Gallus]

O...kay. So why is him pulling early causing grief?

This guy has GW and is in an alliance that seems to support him doing this sort of thing. He's in almost every hunt, and he gets there extremely early due to GW, that alone makes console players miss more than the half of the hunts. It's not like he pulls early, he pulls as soon as he arrives, and he shouts stuff such as "stylish pull" or "you should thank me" (???). I used to pop S hunts that involved fishing and was doing it so that as many people as possible could benefit from them but stopped because I could not stomach seeing this douche and his horrible attitude ruin it every time. If you think this sort of attitude isn't detrimental we have a very different perception of the reality.

[MomomiMomi]

that alone makes console players miss more than the half of the hunts.

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you. That means that what you said earlier is wrong:

My concern isn't about getting to the hunt or not getting to the hunt because an early puller

Not getting to the hunt because of an early puller IS your concern.

[Gallus]

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you. That means that what you said earlier is wrong:
Not getting to the hunt because of an early puller IS your concern.

I don't even know what you are trying to prove or what your point is...
I'm concerned about the distress and toxicity a certain player I mentioned is causing on my server yes, but I'm not concerned about me personally missing a hunt here or there, I just cannot stomach this guy, and if you read what I've written (seeing how all you do is quote specific sentences I have my doubts) you'll notice I have my reasons.

[MomomiMomi]

I don't even know what you are trying to prove or what your point is...
I'm concerned about the distress and toxicity a certain player I mentioned is causing on my server yes, but I'm not concerned about me personally missing a hunt here or there, I just cannot stomach this guy, and if you read what I've written (seeing how all you do is quote specific sentences I have my doubts) you'll notice I have my reasons.

The distress that it's causing is because people can't get to a hunt. Therefore, your issue with an early puller is because people can't get to a hunt because of them. It may not be because you can't get to a hunt, but it's because someone can't get to a hunt.

In other words, people need to stop being butthurt just because they didn't make it to a hunt.

[FinaSel]

The distress that it's causing is because people can't get to a hunt. Therefore, your issue with an early puller is because people can't get to a hunt because of them. It may not be because you can't get to a hunt, but it's because someone can't get to a hunt.

In other words, people need to stop being butthurt just because they didn't make it to a hunt.

Isn't it a violation of the TOS to deliberately do something to interfere with other player's enjoyment of the game. Especially if other people have already TOLD him that he is doing just that and his response is he is doing it for "fun".

I'm not in this server and don't know the details, but judging from the number of people who seem to be affected by his actions, and the fact that he clearly knows what he is doing it causing trouble YET finds pleasure in causing trouble for others is a prime example of deliberately taking actions to ruin the enjoyment of the game for others.

And what's just as puzzling as his actions is that there are people who support this? Why?

These people are not just upset because they couldn't get to a hunt. It's because someone continues to prevent them from getting to any hunt simply for his own enjoyment.

[Kerii]

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If they are doing it intentionally, and you can prove that they are only doing it to prevent others from participating, you may report them. However, the problem (as I mentioned many posts back) is that you have to be able to prove that they are doing it intentionally. Also, what you describe at first is "Disruption", the person you refer sounds like a griefer. Griefers tend to take advantage of broken mechanics in games in order to outright torture other players. Because it is considered a type of cheating and disruption they're probably more likely to get banned. You'll still have to prove it though.