Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[MoraClaret]

I've learned so much from this thread.

Next time there's free food in the office I'm going to run in there and eat it all.

Then when people come in and ask why I didn't leave anything for them I'll say: "I didn't see any rules saying I had to! Too bad, first come first serve!"

Amazing.

[RobbieH]

I've learned so much from this thread.

Next time there's free food in the office I'm going to run in there and eat it all.

Then when people come in and ask why I didn't leave anything for them I'll say: "I didn't see any rules saying I had to! Too bad, first come first serve!"

Amazing.

The community is toxic. but there's good people too.

However you need to understand that some people re complete leechers, they wait call on LS or FC then go hunt, while others had the work by spending hours looking for hunts.

Yeah i'd love to go do something else while others have the work, but then i'll miss the hunt.

Can't have everything.

[Drkdays]

There are two types of people in this world. People who arrive at a Hunt with others and after a bit, even just a short bit, spin around in a circle and say to themselves, "hmm there's a pretty good amount of ppl here and no one has shouted for inv for awhile now. Guess it'll be ok to pull."


And monsters

"Awwwwwww yeah! I'm here now and that's all we need! Strap on your jockstraps and hold on! it's goin' DOWN NOW MONSTER! 5321PULL!"

[Neophyte]

Well... my 2 cents is that I have stopped responding to call outs in my Hunt LS because of early pullers. So many times I immediately rush to the location only to get there and find the rare already dead. It is very vexing :/

That's mainly because of people who have 2 or more hunting LS. They get the announcement in one of them, travel all the way to the hunt and then 'Oh yeah, I should announce him in all my other LS'.
So hunt is already up and announced for 2-3 mins and suddenly the 2nd or 3rd wave of (so called) 'hunters' appear, shouting 'inv inv inv', 'wait pls', 'fck ninja pullers', etc.

If you're in an LS where the hunts are announced asap and teleport asap you should get at least 9/10 hunts, that is if you skip those which are just gamble like Maracco or Melt far away.

People have just to use the same 'tricks' those ninja pullers use, be connected, be fast, be in areas where hunts are open. And lower your expectations if you can only hunt on prime time.

[Lyshell]

Yes because I said so.

[Vivi_Bushido]

There are two types of people in this world. People who arrive at a Hunt with others and after a bit, even just a short bit, spin around in a circle and say to themselves, "hmm there's a pretty good amount of ppl here and no one has shouted for inv for awhile now. Guess it'll be ok to pull."


And monsters

"Awwwwwww yeah! I'm here now and that's all we need! Strap on your jockstraps and hold on! it's goin' DOWN NOW MONSTER! 5321PULL!"

There's a guy on my server with a macro that goes:


Pulling in 30seconds!
. . . Pulling in 54321 PULLED!!

[Cakekizyy]

Except they said it's automated. If enough reports come in, people get sent right to jail.

Then GMs review logs and punish reporters for abusing report system.

[FinaSel]

To be honest there is way too many people hiding behind the excuse of "consideration" or using the term "early pulling" as a smoke screen for actually meaning "they never waited for me" in here.Hunt mobs are not finite, they spawn all over Eorzea, most spawn every few hours in regards to A ranks, the S spawn generally every day or two days

I think some people, like myself, consider "early pulling" as the act of not waiting for the person who spawned the mob OR pulling the mob before the group which discovered it was ready. The group who discovered / popped it should be the puller. Not some random player who just arrived 30 seconds later and is too impatient to wait for the discoverer's group to gather.

You think S ranks spawn every day or 2 days? Are you sure you do hunts often?
There are only 3 S rank mob that CAN be spawned in 2 days, and by just a couple of hours. Most take 3 or 4 days to be able to be spawned.
No S rank mob "spawns" every day.


Also, S ranks don't just magically appear every 3 or 4 days. For many of them, it takes a lot of effort (sometimes with several people) to make it spawn. To say "S ranks spawn" is not very accurate. They are made to spawn.

So yeah, there is definitely a thing as early pulling when a group works hard for an hour OR MORE to spawn an S rank and then some guy runs over, shouts to his FC and LS only, and kills it before the group that spawned it even had a chance.

[Nicobo]

I've learned so much from this thread.

Next time there's free food in the office I'm going to run in there and eat it all.

Then when people come in and ask why I didn't leave anything for them I'll say: "I didn't see any rules saying I had to! Too bad, first come first serve!"

Amazing.

"i am going to run in there" implied you know there is free food so rush to there.
Did you mean everytime you run there and all food gone? ^^;

[Gallus]

I do hunts, I play on Ragnarok and I have no idea who your talking about so 'everyone knows him' is not true. I highly doubt any single individual can be at every hunt and be the person who pulls at each. It is not griefing to pull at any given time, it might be stupid to pull when not enough people are there because you will just die though. It is however harassment if name shame with shouts as a way to single someone out for abuse and such, it is harassment to send abusive tells to someone and it is harassment to keep resetting a hunt to prevent people from killing it. Those three things are reportable.

Pulling and not waiting for you/me and/or your/my friends is not. I personally wait a few minutes after enough people have turned up to actually beat the target but I will not wait there all day for stragglers and there is no official amount of time anyone has to wait. If I do not make it in time I don't get my knickers in a twist over it though, I am not entitled to force everyone to wait for me and if I see anyone name shaming someone as a way to target them for abuse I will report the person name shaming. To be honest there is way too many people hiding behind the excuse of "consideration" or using the term "early pulling" as a smoke screen for actually meaning "they never waited for me" in here.

They don't wait for me either and quite often I don't make it in time but so be it, no big deal. I have no intention of harassing people over it. Hunt mobs are not finite, they spawn all over Eorzea, most spawn every few hours in regards to A ranks, the S spawn generally every day or two days but they also require more people to actually kill it so people wait longer for people to arrive on those. It would be nice if SE added more hunt mobs in this game and maybe increase the spawn rate, remove the link to gear progression so that people only do them because they enjoy doing them, perhaps introduce a level sync to them too but I am not entitled to take part in every one that spawns plus I don't get to dictate how long everyone should wait and neither does anyone else here.

You are assuming a bit too much from my post. My concern isn't about getting to the hunt or not getting to the hunt because an early puller, things aren't just fine as long as I can get my seals just like things aren't horrible and unplayable if someone pulls and I cannot get any credit, my two lines of post weren't a butthurt reaction from a few missed seals, no. I'm not gonna deny "early pulling" for some people directly translates into "don't pull until I get there", but not for me. In Ragnarok there's one specific alliance that has been causing a lot of grief in this particular area, and there's one specific guy from that alliance which takes things to a complete next level. There's always gonna be that guy or that group of people who always complain about people not waiting (even though they did wait), but when you have someone doing it every time and making a sport out of it, then it feels wrong, very wrong. The "how much time is acceptable and not considered early pulling" sort of reasoning does not work here if the person in question does not even wait 1 second every time.