Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Welcome to patch 2.3.

......Well nuts. I gone too far back in time.

[Brian_]

The fact that this is being brought up yet again must mean content here is running dry. I see no change in the hunts at all.

Hunts are just popular right now because you can get unstained logs to trade for twines and coats. This happens every time there is a catch-up patch that makes hunts relevant.

[Noshpan]

While there is nothing wrong in the rules sense, it's more of a courtesy thing to hold off attacking a hunt mark right away until more people come along.

So it's not wrong. It's just polite to wait and let others join in.

I've long since learned that if I don't make it in time to a hunt target, then I just shrug my shoulders and move on (it will respawn again after all).

[Asuras]

It's the Game Theory. If everyone waits we all get more. However, what if the other guy doesn't wait? I should pull now because he/she would do the same. If I cheat and the other guy doesn't cheat, then I get it all. If I cheat and the other guy cheats too, then I get some and he/she gets some; we all get less.

Unfortunately, it's human nature; cooperation would mean more for all but the temptation of cheating and getting it all before the others catch on is too alluring.

[Neophyte]

One of the problems is people shouting out a hunt or linking them in LS over and over again... A hunt should be announced once and only repeated (or posted in other LS) within 10-15s.

Nothing worse than waiting 3-5 mins and then some slacker arrives finally just to post the hunt in all his LS again, like 'Look at me, I'm actually participating in this LS, hurrdurr.'

If you're not monitoring your LS and searching for a hunt somewhere you're not meant to get a hunt anyway.
If you're crafting, gathering, fating, idling, queuing, questing, etc.. consider everything you get as a bonus.

[Gallus]

There's a guy in Ragnarok that always pulls as soon as he gets there, everybody knows him and he's been blacklisted by hundreds of people. I asked him politely why he was doing that and he answered "fun".
Honestly, when it's this exaggerated this should fall into the category of griefing, I've stopped hunts altogether literally thanks to this guy, he made me despise them.

[Seoulstar]

So is expecting others to wait for you.

Waiting a minute isn't going to kill you. I'm not saying you have to wait for the entire damn server to pop up.

[Pheryx]

Nope, early pulling is not wrong. No matter what these people say about courtesy you can do whatever you want.

[Archaell]

Personally I see the problem in the whole design of the hunts. From a feature that could have been challenging it degenerated to midless zergfest for free marks whenever some 3rd party app tells you to go gather them and that also created the issue with "early pulling".


Hunts would be much better:

If they had per person CD, instead of long respawn times.

If they were spawned by time limited quests, with only the person and group who spawned it being able to attack the boss.

Something like an open world raids would be much better imo.

[MeiUshu]

Waiting a minute isn't going to kill you. I'm not saying you have to wait for the entire damn server to pop up.

the question is...what is the righ amount of time to wait for people to gather.

If everybody that is on their way says give me a minute and everyone of them is one minute behind any one that says 1 minute you can wait an hour .....For some 2 secs is already waiting for others 1 mn is good but no matter what nobody will be ever satisfied if they dont make it on time it will anyway be an early pull even if the guy already waited 2mn

There is nothing wrong in pulling and there is nothing wrong in asking if people can wait ..if they dont wait...well tough cookie ..and it will be for next time ..

You are the one not there. It is not like you cant know when something is happening around this world.

Screaming for this is kind of silly. Like at a show, you are late and know you are going to be late you not going to ask the show to wait for you to make it there ? right ? (a bit extreme I know)

this whole too early, raging and the like is just silly.