Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Alistaire]

Sure, there's no magical minimum start time. And you are more than welcome to face pull a Hunt someone else found. But if you are giving absolutely no regard to the large Train of players that -ALWAYS- arrives within 60 seconds. Well.. just like you are free to pull anytime you want; they are free to blacklist you for waiting on absolutely no one.

Yup, not like I'd want to deal with those kinds of players anyway. Though for the record I almost never pull a mob, I'm never in that much of a hurry. But to think someone should have to wait or could be reprimanded for not waiting is absurd.

[Hasrat]

But to think someone should have to wait or could be reprimanded for not waiting is absurd.

Actions have consequences. Community standards and all that. Just because there's no explicit rule doesn't mean players can't take their own actions against it (within the rules).

There's no explicit rule that says you can't cut in line at the bank.
There's no explicit rule that says you can't steal that old lady's parking spot that she's been waiting on.
There's no explicit rule that says you can't drive 50 in the fast lane.

But if you do you're going to be viewed as a dick and treated as such.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Reading this thread has made me realise that common courtesy has flown out the window with a lot people. Though of course people are naturally selfish and don't want "their" time to be wasted waiting on others so they'll pull when they damn please, there might no rule against "early pulling" and that it technically doesn't exist but I consider early pulling to be *If its been pulled within the first minute of it being called giving no one any time to get there*. From what I've seen people only really seem to get angry or care when people don't wait in regards to S-Ranks due to how often they are actually up.

At least as far as hunts are concerned on Odin 8 times out of 10 people seem to be rather courteous to wait depending on what rank the hunt is.

HW S-Rank - There is generally a 5 minute window for people to get there before its pulled, unless they literally spawn at prime time when Idyshire is packed so consider you have 2 minutes after it being called to get there.

HW A Ranks - I've noticed people generally seems to wait 2-3minutes, if people are clearly in the zone and shouted they are on the way or part of a large hunting LS people seem to generally wait unless of course some random douchenozzle comes along pulls it, sends everyone into a panic causing everyone to zerg rush it so they don't lose contribution.

ARR S ranks - However seem to generally be fair game due to the nature of the fact you don't need a massive team for them, though more often than not you have a 3minute window to get there.

ARR A Ranks - These are pretty much fair game to anyone really since you can solo these at this point so I don't really expect much courtesy and for them to be killed rather silently most of the time but when they are called, people seem content to wait a couple minutes.

It is true that hunts are first come first served but a little bit of courtesy can go a long way, but honestly after 5 minutes of a hunt being called and you didn't get there in that window? Then its tough luck really.

[Eldevern]

An implicite rule on Cerberus : An early-puller is the one who pulls while he's not in the team who discovered the mob. The one who comes calling "invite me" and pulls because he sees the mob is not pulled yet when he arrives and doesn't want to wait. This IS an early-puller. You didn't discovered, you don't pull. Only the first complete team decides when (and who if there are several tanks).

Now, how many time to wait? 5 Minutes is reasonable. You have to consider the load window that can take 30sec. To just consider the time from tp, you forgot : the load window, the time to lose agro with a mob (and it can take many time -already seen 30sec-) and so, even if you are in the area (imagine you are doing some tribale not very far). 3 Minutes sounds enough but a bit short anyway.

[AreciaRhi]

They'll just respawn. I'm not sure I see the problem with 'early pulling'. Doesn't bother me.

[NaesakiAshwell]

They'll just respawn. I'm not sure I see the problem with 'early pulling'. Doesn't bother me.

I see it more aimed at the S-Ranks since they are on quite a long cooldown timer and their rewards are also pretty nice for what people generally doing a lot of hunting appreciate.

[Laerune]

If you are working with others and you pull before those players arrive, then yes it is wrong. But in general, aslong as you and your group finds it first, then its yours for the taking.

Afcourse common courtesy is to announce it in zones and give those players few minutes to arrive and kill the HUNT target aswell.

[Joe_Schmoe]

How do early pullers make you feel? How do you approach the situation? How does the situation even make you feel? Do you even care?

I've never done a hunt in this game, but based on my experiences in other games it's a dick move, especially if the mark can be soloed. Not very fun or fair if someone wants the whole pie for himself at the expense of everyone else. That's one case where having open-world PvP is a GOOD thing (classic Runescape comes to mind). If someone tried it then, they'd be dead, probably even focused on before the mark.

[Kerii]

Only if the player is doing it to be disruptive or turns to harassing other players afterwards. In terms of the feature implementation it is meant to be first come, first serve.

[Nihility]

It seems like some common courtesy would be good for everyone.
On Behemoth at least there are two people that everyone that hunts know will rush in asap and pull it before the main group has a chance to arrive every single time.

the friggain things take like 4 hours to come back and are designed in a way that they can give full credit to everyone.
waiting half an hour for the whole world to finish what they're doing and show up is certainly not expected but giving the giant group that is actively hunting 30s or so to collect is not that difficult to do