Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Alistaire]

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What you're saying falls apart though. Who is starting that timer of "aetheryte to the hunt"? And for whom? People don't arrive the same time, aren't all as active as some in finding hunts to begin with, and just the idea of even attempting to police such a thing is baffling.

It's just entirely selfish to think whenever you zoned in is some kind of universal start timer and that there's any way at all to ask people to wait an arbitrary amount of time they'd have to be in your party to know anyway, and incredibly rude to insinuate they aren't being polite by having no clue when you or anyone else is going to arrive.

[Galactimus]

What? Since when are people finding hunts for me? News to me.

I think you took the "you" part too literally. Hunts don't find and report themselves. If no one is looking for them then no one gets to kill anything.

-Stuff-

No one is obligated to sit there staring at a Hunt for five minutes. There are no rules to this system. There is no policing. Heck, every Hunt is completely different depending on distance, rank, and even time of day. However, I'm talking about the absolutely clear instances where the exact same player arrives and pulls so early that it could almost be considered psuedo-griefing and disrespectful to everyone involved. It should be clear that while Hunting you become aware of the pressence of "The Train" Also known as the majority of players who arrive at roughly the same time to every pull. If someone is pulling the Hunt so early that no one in 'The Train' is even close to arriving; then I personally consider that a strike against common decency.


Though I'm only talking about the minimum time to wait. The maximum amount of time really has no reason to be discussed. (IE. It's impossible to wait for everyone.)

[MomomiMomi]

I think you took the "you" part too literally. Hunts don't find and report themselves. If no one is looking for them then no one gets to kill anything.

If no one is looking for them they will be found regardless.

[Darkside302]

Agree that there's nothing wrong with it. You're not paying to play a game to wait for others to come fight. Is it lacking in common courtesy? Yes absolutely, but if they didn't make it in time it's not your problem (and vice-versa). Dog eat dog.

[Ryel]

Not only is it not wrong, but it doesn't exist. Literally no such thing as early pulling.

The only things reportable in hunts is resetting to grief others or calling out who you think "early pulled".

Pretty much this.

While there isn't such a thing as "early" pulling waiting for other players is considered common courtesy on most servers now, however you aren't by any means obligated to do so. Like anything else on the internet though be prepared for players to get upset should you chose to ignore that courtesy regardless of your feelings on whether it's justified or not.

Unless you're in a severe rush there really isn't any reason not to wait the like 1-2 minutes it takes for a few extra people to arrive, waiting for the entire server to show up is a bit unreasonable though.

[LaylaTsarra]

If no one is looking for them they will be found regardless.

Some take hours to spawn like Semerov with the Cerfs Fates and others like Pale Rider take money for maps to do so as well. Spawners should in my view be calling the pull time for a hunt they spawned and not some DO NOTHING who shows up and face pulls the minute they get there. Being courteous to others and the spawners isn't that difficult although some really don't care about anyone but themselves.

[Zari]

Unless you're in a severe rush there really isn't any reason not to wait the like 1-2 minutes it takes for a few extra people to arrive, waiting for the entire server to show up is a bit unreasonable though.

Well yeah i find most groups wait at least a couple minutes for others to arrive but the issue is the huge amount of people that come in like 5 minutes late and cry about early pulling and harass the person who pulled.
As you said, waiting for the entire server is unreasonable

[FinaSel]

So here is how we do things on Carbuncle server.

The person who first announces the mark in /shout (or makes the first party in party finder) states the start time.
They will shout "ET [time]". That is the start time and everyone follows it.

Then, the disoverer of the mark will be first to attack OR will give the OK a tank in the group. Whoever makes the announcement first is the discoverer. However, on our server people are generally nice, so if the person makes the announcement sees someone else already at the mob when they arrive, they will let the first person at the mob to announce the start time.


In the event that several people are working together to spawn a mark, they will either discuss the start time together OR let the person who formed the group to announce the start time.

It's a really simple and easy system and works very well. The only thing that is required is for people to follow it...which doesn't seem to be a problem on Carbuncle.

I've only witnessed an "early pull" twice on an S mark, and I frequently do hunts.

Carbuncle is also a "high population server", so while there is always someone on their way, if they are late they are late. No one gets upset about pulling before they arrive. The discoverer announces the start time and the discoverer or their group does the pull.

[Alistaire]

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You're still looking through the viewpoint of one person and expecting everyone else to fall in line with it without knowing this person or being in party or linkshell with them. There can't be a "minimum wait time" without a defined start point, and that's going to vary by person. This is why there's always someone crying foul; you can't do a system like this when there's no way to inform absolutely everyone of the hunt location at exactly the same time.

[Galactimus]

There can't be a "minimum wait time"

Sure, there's no magical minimum start time. And you are more than welcome to face pull a Hunt someone else found. But if you are giving absolutely no regard to the large Train of players that -ALWAYS- arrives within 60 seconds. Well.. just like you are free to pull anytime you want; they are free to blacklist you for waiting on absolutely no one.