Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Mimoza]

And I'm not along on this. Anyone with a bad PC or playing on the ps3 deal with this situation. But fuck them because of someone else, right? It's as you say; it's all hypocrisy.

Even with a very good computer i already had the same problem as you when half the server was just in front of the Hunt Rank.

[MomomiMomi]

^ How to win an argument without actually proving a point. "Nothing changed in the past and we survived, so it can't be that bad. Your argument is irrelevant."

There's no argument to be won here. This thread is a dead horse. People have been complaining about "early pullers" since 2.3. And just as in 2.3, if a hunt is there, it's open season.

[Erim-Nelhah]

you still have not answered my question...what is the right number of min. one should wait?

MeiUshu, Please re-read my post - get someone who knows English better than you to translate it if you need to. The whole thing, however, was about courtesy, not "hard" timers or anything like that - and listed 2 major rules that I personally follow and would like others to start following more often. I see my first rule broken at almost every "prime time" hunt on Gilgamesh, and have seen my Second rule broken multiple times there (for ARR hunts) as well.

Edit: If you need a "hard timer" to use, I actually gave you one in my last post: one minute. Note that this, however, is pretty much a bare minimum, and really only applies to people who come to a hunt after it's called, and even then only if no "pull time" has been made known. I know I wait longer. Also, as far as I'm concerned, whoever finds the hunt is free to pull it whenever he/she feels like it, and to call it or not as he/she sees fit. If said person or group doesn't want to wait for others to show up (maybe they spawned Nunyuwuni or some similarly difficult-to-spawn hunt and don't think that people who weren't helping to do that deserve the kill), that's their business.

--Erim Nelhah

[Momita]

I'm sorry, but you're missing the point. Again.
What he is doing for fun isn't "going after a hunt".
What is he doing for fun is pulling the mob immediately before anyone else (except maybe his LS or FC) has the opportunity to get it.

This was already made clear in several posts by various people in this thread.

I've reached the Hunt, my party is here, my friends is here... who i have to wait? my grandma?
Early pull is the excuse for who wanna stay afk, while someone is hunting.

If the puller reached the hunt, then u have the same time for reach it.. if u can't reach in time, then u aren't doing hunt, just leeching ^^

my 2 cents.

[Momita]

Even with a very good computer i already had the same problem as you when half the server was just in front of the Hunt Rank.

If u are alrady in the map of the hunt, looking for the hunt, then u can't have problem reaching the hunt... of course, if u don't hunt then u have a % of loosing the hunt... just exit and HUNT. ^ ^

[Nestama]

I think the only time "early pull" can be said is if the players who had been trying to spawn the S rank don't even get a chance to fight it (or if they do, arrive "late" because they were on the opposite side of the map).

[Pomelo]

I'm sorry but if me or my friends see a hunt, and no one is around, we arrange a group ourselves of whoever wants to join, and we will start killing. I don't even hunt. It's just if I see one while I'm doing my business of gathering, queuing for whatever.

This is how the system was intended, not for the whole server to appear at once and kill it. It's utterly ridiculous. I'd like to reiterate that I do not actively hunt at all, I won't descend on the hunt myself if people are calling for it, it's just if I see one on my travels.

[Stormrider]

Not sure about prime time and weekends. But general miserable people on Balmung expect 5 to 10 mins waiting. They literally expect a person to wait for the whole server. It is never one minute it is always one more minute I want X number of friends to show up one at a time.

Then a bunch of them have macros for who ever pulls before they decide is acceptable. Which is reportable since is meant to grief the player. Which I have done on occasion when bored and gathering.

Hunts are much more enjoyable when no one cares about them and 8-12 people can go from zone to zone killing them. Hell on Balmung after awhile these hunt mobs will literally be up for hours on end because people can't be bothered.

[MeiUshu]

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I have been trying to say it in so many ways and you fail and fail over and over again to see that there is NO curtesy to have as a mandatory thing, there is no obligation to wait for anything and anybody to hunt.

You demand people to wait why? because you find it normal ? and who are you to impose this on others and shame those people that dont wait and pull whenever they arrive and kill the hunt, while you were still standing there like a statue ? What you fail to see (or dont want to see) is that it doesnt matter what you want, the only thing that matters is..

.is the person that pulls within his right to do it and is it within the rules ?

the answer to both questions is yes. No matter what you may think or believe you have NO rights to shame someone for doing what he is allowed to do. That attitude, to shame /to expose as bad a person that did nothing wrong, is just despicable and seriously you should be ashamed for even doing it.

Alright good to have an answer. You said 1mn, where is that written that everbody has to wait has to wait 1 mn because you said so ? why not 10mn or 15mm or an hour ? this is subjective and totally arbitrary..that was my point when I asked what is the right amount of time to wait before pulling because in truth there is NO waiting time to have at all other then what you want to wait, be it a second or a minute, and when you deal with so many people that subjective time varies

Have you more right then someone that wants to wait 1 sec? no you dont. Pushing a bit, for that person that deem 1sec to be the right amount of time to wait for, you demanding to wait more is a lack of curtesy towards said person, you dont agree ? why ? because you dont want to see it as such, but it is.

No matter how much you will try to argue that he is wrong and bad I am sorry but so far the only bad people I see around here are those that try to make someone look a horrible person when in truth that person did nothing wrong to warrant that. This call of mob against someone is just...I dont even have the word to discribe it ..if not disgusting.

Now if he is not abiding by the rules, by all means just report and the like BUT do it for good grounds not on fallacious and stupid reasons and if you have reported him and he is not banned then maybe, just maybe, your reason wasnt a good reason...eh?

Personally I agree curtesy should prevail.. BUT he is still within his right to do as he does (as long as within rules) and therefore I personally cant stand haughty people come in here and point fingers at an innocent person that all he is doing is playing the game for what it was intended to be played in the first place. If a waiting time was to be respected, it would have been set in stone, it is not...sooo just live with it and stop being childish people that scream over a piece of sweet that their neighbourg got before them.

[Erim-Nelhah]

MeiUshu, here's something for you: You think I'm being discourteous to that one person who doesn't want to wait by asking them to either wait or stop hunting, and yet how many people is that person being discourteous to by pulling on arrival? 10? 50? 100? The kinds of pulls I listed in my posts are not being done by the actual hunters (the people who found and called the mark), but by the people who are arriving from other attempted hunts and/or other activities. In my opinion, people who ride/fly in and pull immediately are being discourteous to everyone both actively hunting and wanting to get in on kills by doing so.

Also, I have already stated that if the group that found the hunt pulls it, it's not early no matter how fast it's pulled, imo. In fact, they really only call hunts to others for 2 reasons: To get more bodies for hunts that are hard to do in small groups, and as a courtesy to other people who want some of the rewards from the hunt in question.

Anyway, I'm done here.

--Erim Nelhah