Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Cakekizyy]

Except they said it's automated. If enough reports come in, people get sent right to jail.

Then GMs review logs and punish reporters for abusing report system.

[Alistaire]

Oh god...just realised...SE won't even act on reports of early pullers because they aren't violating ToS. You're worries hold no weight and will have zero impact on the right click report function. The GMs who review the reports are why we can have nice things.

Edit: To avoid making another post...I'm extremely thankful for the people on Mateus who are courteous and do wait for everyone to arrive before pulling. There are a few occasions here and there where there will be people who pull extremely fast and do not allow time for everyone to gather, but in my experience, and I hunt A LOT, at least 98% of the time people are very patient and respectful of everyone on Mateus.

You misunderstand, I'm not saying reporting "early pullers" will work, I'm saying SE will get flooded by idiots reporting "early pullers" with that feature so much they'll end up removing the feature. The new feature is the "nice thing" and people abusing it to report someone pulling a hunt mob is what will make it so we can't have that nice thing.

tl;dr we're on the same page.

The act of interfering with other's enjoyment of the game IS against the rules.

Directly from the EULA:
"Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players"

So if someone has an ugly or too sexy glamour I can say they're interfering with my enjoyment of the game? If someone undercuts me that's interference too! ...this is just getting silly.

[FinaSel]

So if someone has an ugly or too sexy glamour I can say they're interfering with my enjoyment of the game? If someone undercuts me that's interference too! ...this is just getting silly.

But would you really say that because someone's glamour is too ugly or sexy that it is preventing you from enjoying the game? Really? Would you really say that?
Which is more ridiculous? Wearing "ugly" or "sexy" glamour or complaining that someone's glamour is too ugly or sexy?

And please consider whether the other person is deliberately wearing that glamour just to make you angry and because they get a kick out of making others mad.

Undercutting someone and pulling an S rank before the group that worked hard to spawn it arrives on purpose are two totally different things too.
Keep in mind: is the person undercutting you doing it just to make you angry because that is fun for them? Or are they doing it because they are also trying to sell something...without any evil intention of ruining your experience.

People seem to be either missing or avoiding the main point here. If someone is purposefully interfering with others' ability to enjoy the game for their own selfish reasons, knowing what they are doing is causing many other people trouble, yet, despite knowing that continue to do it simply for the fun of being an annoying brat...then yeah I think would definitely violate the EULA of "Disruption".

[Alistaire]

But would you really say that...

No, I wouldn't. I was clearly pointing out the ridiculousness of pointing out that rule when players are playing within the rules.

[Vespar]

Wow some of you folks are selfish.
Its common courtesy to wait for as many folks to arrive as possible so we can all reap the rewards.

[skyfox]

Well there is no definition of early puller but it's fairly easy to be "considerate" for other people.
This isn't single person console game. You are playing game with other people. By simply shout if someone still on the way will be suffice. But most of well known "early puller" just pull as soon as they arrive and don't give **ck other people.

[Snugglebutt]

Well there is no definition of early puller but it's fairly easy to be "considerate" for other people.
This isn't single person console game. You are playing game with other people. By simply shout if someone still on the way will be suffice. But most of well known "early puller" just pull as soon as they arrive and don't give **ck other people.

Anyone who wants to pull can pull if they want provided they have waited for enough people to actually kill it, else they are just wasting their own time wiping on it. They were designed to be done by small groups with exception of S ranks and unlike S ranks most A ranks respawn within few hours. One thing I think SE should consider is a 'level sync' on hunts like fates just to keep them more interesting though. SE should keep the rewards for hunts quite limited too to counter the amount of zerging going on while promoting the ideology that people should be doing them because enjoy doing them and not just for the reward, if they cannot do that then increasing the quantity of hunts on maps or shortening of spawn times might suffice.

People should not have to wait for every tom, dick and harry who says 'on my way/omw' or 'invite/inv/inv pls' because you will be waiting until the end of time as more stragglers turn up on the map and see someone say "inv" in chat so they do same. The amount of people who just turn up on a map and see people saying 'inv' so join in without any idea of the context for it makes me laugh and happens a lot like for example yesterday someone asked in shout if people wanted to farm fates, some people said 'inv' in shouts and then loads of others joined in the chat spam thinking was a hunt because they just turned up or had a knee jerk reaction to seeing the words 'inv' by others. To be honest it is no more selfish to pull when enough people turn up to kill it than how selfish it is to expect everyone to wait for 'you/them'. That's what it really boils down to in this...did they pull before "I" or "my party" got there.

There is no such thing as "early pulling" since there is no globally agreed consensus on how long is long enough and anyone name shaming with shouts or sending abusive messages via tells to or about someone who pulled just because they pulled before that 'other' person got there should be reported for harassment the same way someone who keeps resetting it on purpose should be reported it for harassing people doing it. If someone wants to wait 1 minute, 5 minutes, 5 hours that's up to them but as long as enough people have turned up to actually kill it they can go ahead and pull if they want in my opinion (even if I do not make it in time myself). Someone who waited 5 minutes is not inconsiderate just because they never waited for 10 and someone who waited 25 minutes is not inconsiderate just because they never waited for 30. In the end some people will always complain regardless of how long anyone waits if they themselves do not make it in time.

On a side note, people earlier in here mentioned hunt linkshells with their 'trains' should be waited for but truth be told more often than not in my experience hunt LS tend to update hunt sites with false death times on hunt targets on purpose to mislead and prevent others from knowing the respawn time period...trying to keep the knowledge to themselves so they have a higher chance of killing it when next spawns and in my opinion that is worse than someone not waiting for 'you/them' or 'your/their' linkshell groups to arrive since at least they are not purposefully trying to mislead others.

[Spawnie]

reason why ive always avoided hunts unless im in the map at the time lol to much hate in the whole thing should just remove hunts altogether n implement somethin else

[FinaSel]

So many people are saying there is no such thing as early pulling. Let me give you an example of something I saw in my server. You can tell me if this is early pulling or not.
(I've only seen an "early pull" twice, and this was one of them.)


Someone was in Western Thanalan, trying to spawn Zona Seeker (S rank). The person completed the trigger and shouted "Just caught Glimmerscale! Be on the lookout for the S rank mob!!
The mob had popped on the other side of the map. Another person found it and shouted the macro "<t> <pos>".

Soon people were flooding to Western Thanalan. The person who spawned the S rank shouted "I'm on my way. Please wait until I arrive."
The person who first saw the mob, however, was too impatient, and decided to pull it anyway. As soon as the mob died, the person who triggered it arrived. They were not able to get the kill and were justifiably very upset.

Now is this early pulling? Is the person who worked to spawn the mob just "s. out of luck" because they were too slow?

As some other people say, it is important to be considerate to others and wait at least a couple of minutes. Better yet, announce the start time if you are the discoverer and at LEAST wait for the person / group that spawned the mob.

Frankly, I'm appalled by the attitude that people think it's okay to just pull whatever as soon as you / your group only is ready.
What ever happened to caring about others and working together to accomplish a common goal? Judging by the overall attitude toward hunts (and a lot of the other threads I've seen on this forum) it seems like there are too many people in your servers who have a "It's all about me" mentality and not "We should think about the other people around us."

What causes people to think that way? (Actually a genuine question because I really want to know.)

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Yes you will get those who pull as soon as they see it, but some DO wait for a few minutes for others to get in. But as I said before, you wait a bit, then others will ask for you to wait, then more people will ask for you to hold, etc. Where does one draw the line? There's also the issue of how credit is given to everyone. If there is a LOT of people, you might not get full rewards, so now people are paranoid about others coming in and pull early to make sure they can get full credit. Then again, I don't know why people are so into hunts when the rewards are so meh. In 2.X, I gave up on hunting early to avoid all this drama and opted to take the slower route of gear upgrading through the 24 man raids.