Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Galactimus]

There can't be a "minimum wait time"

Sure, there's no magical minimum start time. And you are more than welcome to face pull a Hunt someone else found. But if you are giving absolutely no regard to the large Train of players that -ALWAYS- arrives within 60 seconds. Well.. just like you are free to pull anytime you want; they are free to blacklist you for waiting on absolutely no one.

[Kosmos992k]

What? Since when are people finding hunts for me? News to me.

LOL! I must have missed that memo too.

They're so altruistic. It's all for the benefit of others, and has nothing to do with their own selfish desires...Have you ever watched that TV show - Mystery Diners - where they use hidden cameras and actors to smoke out cheating employees at restaurants? Almost invariably the wrong doer will claim that they were only doing it to benefit the business, or as a surprise for the owner, despite the fact that it was obviously all about enriching their own pocket. Every time one of these hunt threads comes up and someone claims that hunt parties are doing this for everyone, I am reminded of the targets of the Mystery Diners...

[Alistaire]

stuff

What you're saying falls apart though. Who is starting that timer of "aetheryte to the hunt"? And for whom? People don't arrive the same time, aren't all as active as some in finding hunts to begin with, and just the idea of even attempting to police such a thing is baffling.

It's just entirely selfish to think whenever you zoned in is some kind of universal start timer and that there's any way at all to ask people to wait an arbitrary amount of time they'd have to be in your party to know anyway, and incredibly rude to insinuate they aren't being polite by having no clue when you or anyone else is going to arrive.

[Darkside302]

Agree that there's nothing wrong with it. You're not paying to play a game to wait for others to come fight. Is it lacking in common courtesy? Yes absolutely, but if they didn't make it in time it's not your problem (and vice-versa). Dog eat dog.

[Zari]

Unless you're in a severe rush there really isn't any reason not to wait the like 1-2 minutes it takes for a few extra people to arrive, waiting for the entire server to show up is a bit unreasonable though.

Well yeah i find most groups wait at least a couple minutes for others to arrive but the issue is the huge amount of people that come in like 5 minutes late and cry about early pulling and harass the person who pulled.
As you said, waiting for the entire server is unreasonable

[FinaSel]

So here is how we do things on Carbuncle server.

The person who first announces the mark in /shout (or makes the first party in party finder) states the start time.
They will shout "ET [time]". That is the start time and everyone follows it.

Then, the disoverer of the mark will be first to attack OR will give the OK a tank in the group. Whoever makes the announcement first is the discoverer. However, on our server people are generally nice, so if the person makes the announcement sees someone else already at the mob when they arrive, they will let the first person at the mob to announce the start time.


In the event that several people are working together to spawn a mark, they will either discuss the start time together OR let the person who formed the group to announce the start time.

It's a really simple and easy system and works very well. The only thing that is required is for people to follow it...which doesn't seem to be a problem on Carbuncle.

I've only witnessed an "early pull" twice on an S mark, and I frequently do hunts.

Carbuncle is also a "high population server", so while there is always someone on their way, if they are late they are late. No one gets upset about pulling before they arrive. The discoverer announces the start time and the discoverer or their group does the pull.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Reading this thread has made me realise that common courtesy has flown out the window with a lot people. Though of course people are naturally selfish and don't want "their" time to be wasted waiting on others so they'll pull when they damn please, there might no rule against "early pulling" and that it technically doesn't exist but I consider early pulling to be *If its been pulled within the first minute of it being called giving no one any time to get there*. From what I've seen people only really seem to get angry or care when people don't wait in regards to S-Ranks due to how often they are actually up.

At least as far as hunts are concerned on Odin 8 times out of 10 people seem to be rather courteous to wait depending on what rank the hunt is.

HW S-Rank - There is generally a 5 minute window for people to get there before its pulled, unless they literally spawn at prime time when Idyshire is packed so consider you have 2 minutes after it being called to get there.

HW A Ranks - I've noticed people generally seems to wait 2-3minutes, if people are clearly in the zone and shouted they are on the way or part of a large hunting LS people seem to generally wait unless of course some random douchenozzle comes along pulls it, sends everyone into a panic causing everyone to zerg rush it so they don't lose contribution.

ARR S ranks - However seem to generally be fair game due to the nature of the fact you don't need a massive team for them, though more often than not you have a 3minute window to get there.

ARR A Ranks - These are pretty much fair game to anyone really since you can solo these at this point so I don't really expect much courtesy and for them to be killed rather silently most of the time but when they are called, people seem content to wait a couple minutes.

It is true that hunts are first come first served but a little bit of courtesy can go a long way, but honestly after 5 minutes of a hunt being called and you didn't get there in that window? Then its tough luck really.

[Eldevern]

An implicite rule on Cerberus : An early-puller is the one who pulls while he's not in the team who discovered the mob. The one who comes calling "invite me" and pulls because he sees the mob is not pulled yet when he arrives and doesn't want to wait. This IS an early-puller. You didn't discovered, you don't pull. Only the first complete team decides when (and who if there are several tanks).

Now, how many time to wait? 5 Minutes is reasonable. You have to consider the load window that can take 30sec. To just consider the time from tp, you forgot : the load window, the time to lose agro with a mob (and it can take many time -already seen 30sec-) and so, even if you are in the area (imagine you are doing some tribale not very far). 3 Minutes sounds enough but a bit short anyway.

[AreciaRhi]

They'll just respawn. I'm not sure I see the problem with 'early pulling'. Doesn't bother me.

[NaesakiAshwell]

They'll just respawn. I'm not sure I see the problem with 'early pulling'. Doesn't bother me.

I see it more aimed at the S-Ranks since they are on quite a long cooldown timer and their rewards are also pretty nice for what people generally doing a lot of hunting appreciate.