Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Leknaat]

I consider it an early pull if I popped it and didn't have time to reach it before it died.

One Croque I was the only one at the node. I waited till near the end to hit it, presumably it popped because I heard a billion shouts and it was dead before I even got there. There are other examples - sometimes I'll pop something like Brontes or Croak. 30 seconds later someone pulls.

I've also had S ranks where the wait was nearly 10-15 mins and people still were crying early pull /rolls eyes

In general I consider it only polite for at least the travel time to the hunt + 1 minute after you get there. Ideally 5 mins on an S rank was considered polite but you'll always have someone showing up late and whining that it was an early pull (In which case said person needs a better LS) But if you're pulling the moment you get there, it's probably too early. Waiting at least 1 minute after you get there is considered polite.

But yes there's no such thing, technically, as an early pull. SE originally pitched it as as 'you're running through the zone and find a hunt, you beg/cajole your FC mates into showing up to kill it'. People found that it was possible for lots of people (not just 1 person/party/alliance) to get full credit so a LS relay community was born. Being impatient and pulling 'early' just goes against that community spirit.

[Kathyz]

Someone can post the meme " you arent wrong just an a***ole" for me plz? Thx xD

[Imoen]

It doesn't make you an A***ole either...

Everyone that gets THIS upset over this, should not be doing this in the first place... they should be doing something else in the game. There are multiple avenues to do things... and don't give me that "Well this is fastest" crap... because I don't want to hear it.

If hunting is raising your stress level sooo high that you feel the need to lash out because you missed out on something... then you are the one with the problem... not the puller.

[Pyro2hell3]

on my sever it used to be the norm to wait about 2-4 minutes before pulling. Then in the last week or so an fc showed up that pulls as soon as they get there every time, seem to always be on hunting and i'm pretty sure don't report kills either so the hunter tracker thing is messed up. These guys have pretty much killed the hunt on my server.
Do you guys really think its okay for a small group of people to be make an entire part of the game impossible to play for the rest of the people on the server?

[Corfish]

do you guys really think its okay for a small group of people to be make an entire part of the game impossible to play for the rest of the people on the server?

Well... To be frank, yes. The way hunts are handled now is not how they were intended. The way that FC is handling them on the other hand is how they were intended to be handled. You may not like it, but that's the fact of the matter.

[Kathyz]

I just said it as a joke but yeah you arent wrong the hunting point its to search and kill, one can say its people vs people, we just put "regulations" so everyone can take marks but those are just ours no "legal regulations" were GMs can do something.

[Imoen]

I just said it as a joke

Which is exactly why I didn't quote you the first time, because I was saying that in general, not specifically directed at you.

I stopped hunting a long time ago. However; I still have to deal with all the yelling and shouting, and crappy behavior from people that showed 2 seconds too late or w/e.

I stopped hunting, when one day I had been shouting, talking to shells etc... about a hunt I found... was there for 30 min... finally we decide to just kill it.. like "i guess no ones online or interested right now" Then when it is almost dead a huge horde of people show up and start cursing at us etc...

That's crap behavior, and it wasn't on my end.

[Eldevern]

I would not say there are early pull if I could not see the difference from a hunt to another. BUT there are difference, a hunt, a morning, as for A than for a S, is pretty neat and fair. The week-end some people who don't play during the week come and destroy everything without a d*mn care even for the one who make the S spawn. Why do you believe in our server, we ended to blacklist and exclude not only players but sometimes full FC from hunt LS. Because they pull when the people who do the spawn have the right to claim and decide when to pull.

When people fake the hunt reporting tool, is it something else than just trolling in their own interest? It is just selfish, it is not the way the game has been designed for. This is all but an excuse people use to justify their selfishness and if Yoshida more or less told he will not change things, it is because in Japan, players are more fair than us in western countries. He only think we have to do our own regulation.

I would not say there are early pull if there weren't dps who troll tanks in dungeon just because they are in a hurry, these people who play as if their only purpose was to purish game of other players, as if their only enjoyment were in despising and purish others. I can't tolerat this. World is not justice, for the less, but is is not with accepting such behavior we can do things going better. Selfishness and purish other's experience can't be tolerated.

[Erim-Nelhah]

Well... To be frank, yes. The way hunts are handled now is not how they were intended. The way that FC is handling them on the other hand is how they were intended to be handled. You may not like it, but that's the fact of the matter.

I said I was done with this thread, but I really want to highlight this. If this is what I think it is - an FC going out of its way to find and kill hunts without calling them, then in my opinion that's their business (assuming they're not going out of their way to kill hunts called by others before the "mass" can arrive). I agree with Corfish here, it's the way Hunts are meant to be done. Other hunting groups "call" their hunts to others (linksheslls, FCs, /shout) as a courtesy - one I appreciate, and respect by not pulling hunts I didn't find myself.

--Erim Nelhah

[CheshirePuss]

It kinda does, but to each their own how they choose to practice good manners.

That seems.... irrelevant, doesn't it? Please and thank you shouldn't abate to a 5-10 minute wait due to someone lagging behind on being aware of a hunt they were going after, which is also unfortunately unknowing to the awaiting group already at the hunt anyways, so how are they to even know? People have attempted this before, and it ends the same. Group waits a few minutes longer than usual before engaging the target, yet someone still asks if the target is dead, or why they haven't waited. There's no winning in the end if someone wants to sake their side of an argument using just that.