Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[CheshirePuss]

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This point makes me feel like we're pointlessly coming back full circle yet again. The official word is that there is no such thing as early pulling, because if there are enough people at the point of reaching the spawned hunt target, there's no more of a reason to hold back other than nerves. No matter what someone argues, it should be made a bit more obvious that it's impossible to hold a mob for everyone. Those already at the target are not mind readers, nor can be made possibly aware of just how many are hunting a target. Those hunting waver wildly at an inconsistent rate, regardless of the time of day, week, month, season, etc. It is meant to be this hectic for a reason. It's not meant to be a pure luxurious method of farming.

Anyone who argues against this or ignores this point, is obviously deliberately here to make themselves and others, potentially even more frustrated with a subject that should have died well over a year ago.

[Darkshade]

I'm the designated puller though

[OctaviusEvergreen]

Balmung is one of or possibly the largest population server. Often there are about 5 full parties actively hunting during peak hour. All these parties are in contact through several hunt linkshells and are actively exchanging information and hunt calls. When a hunt is found by one of these parties, it is called in party/linkshell/shout and every actively hunting party will hear about it within 10 seconds.

This relationship is mutually beneficial. All actively hunting parties will get full credit for 95%+ hunts that spawn. Occasionally an A rank will get killed quietly by a small group/individual but this is rare.

Hunts were adjusted several patches ago to make it much easier to get full credit even with a large number of players present. Just to clarify, it doesn't matter how many people show up even in the busiest time period on the busiest server. If you are in a party who are at the hunt mark, you will almost certainly get full credit.

While there is sometimes a particular FC or individual attempting to cause grief by pulling before anyone else has a chance to get there, it is likely that the hunt will not be pulled until this "train" of actively hunting parties arrive.

If a hunt is pulled with knowledge that the large group of actively hunting parties are on the way, I would say this is inconsiderate. Repeat offenders will be banned from most hunt linkshells and blacklisted by some people. If anyone complains about an early pull when in fact there has been sufficient time since the hunt was first called to teleport to the closest aetheryte and travel to the hunt mark, they will usually be corrected by the active hunters that it was not an early pull.

In summary, it is within the rights of anyone to pull any hunt at any time if they choose to. However, if the early puller is leeching from the community by attending hunts found by others but refusing to share hunts they find personally, they will be excluded from most hunting linkshells and parties. Not only is sharing hunts polite and courteous, it also benefits the entire server.

[Zigabar]

It's funny, because just last night on Greg an ARR zone S rank spawned during prime time and this happened: I found out through the grapevine, swapped from my gathering class (outside of a sanctuary, so all skills on CD), checked the zone for the nearest entry, ported to Goblet, took an aetheryte to the exit, /sh LFG, mounted and made my way to the spawn and still we stood there for a few minutes for others to get there. Got full credit. This is me leeching and not actively hunting. That's a lot of time waiting for people to get there, when they didn't need to. I wouldn't have cried if I hadn't made it, I know the risk of leeching.

If you're complaining about an early pull, you were too late. It really is that simple.

[OctaviusEvergreen]

This is me leeching and not actively hunting.

I wouldn't consider that leeching. I was referring to people who join hunt linkshells/parties with the goal of attending hunts found by other groups, but not sharing hunts they find personally.

Everyone and their mother wants to attend S ranks so naturally some people will hear about it too late and miss out.

If you're complaining about an early pull, you were too late. It really is that simple.

I disagree. If it is pulled so early that it is literally impossible to teleport and run over to the hunt despite the fact that you are actively hunting, you are effective screwing over many people who would have waited and given you time to reach the hunt, had the situation been reversed.

[Zigabar]

I wouldn't consider that leeching. I was referring to people who join hunt linkshells/parties with the goal of attending hunts found by other groups, but not sharing hunts they find personally.

Everyone and their mother wants to attend S ranks so naturally some people will hear about it too late and miss out.

I would consider both leeching. I did absolutely nothing to assist in finding or popping the mark, yet I got credit.

But my post wasn't in response to yours, it was a general response to the topic. Sorry if it seemed that way.

Edit: Also, hi! I used to be in Mooglecake back when I was on Balmung. o/

[Eldevern]

About the S, don't forget the S don't spawn immediatly and "real" hunters groups are not hunting the same place but little teams on several maps to find the S (that can be true for A ranks when several windows are open). A S hunting team cannot kiil the S alone (at least several HW S need a full Alliance). The ones who come-pull are early pullers. There is something weird to refuse to consider the time needed to come (TP +way to come). Worst : players who find the S rank and team who makes it pop are not necessary the same...

Then, this is fair to wait, not an hour, but 5 real minutes. The people who come pull don't have any kind of excuse. They are early-puller. If they weren't any early-pullers, why people use their pet to pull? Are you sure such pull is fair, is not an early-pull? I got some doubt, you see.

I've already seen players who pull just because they don't want to wait and like to troll other players. Despite the fact they didn't do any kind of active hunt. They were leechers but wanted to bother other people.

[Blackbird1]

Then this is fair to wait, not an hour but 5 real minutes. The people who come pull don't have any kind of excuse. They are early-puller. If they weren't any early-pullers, why people use their pet to pull? Are you sure such pull is fair, is not an early-pull? I got some doubt, you see.

I've already seen players who pull just because they don't want to wait and like to troll other players. Despite the fact they didn't do any kind of active hunt. They were leechers but wanted to bother other people.

Agreed you get those guys who sit in city states watching the hunt linkshells then when a hunt is called they run out to location and pull the second they arrive just to troll.Early pullers will continue to do this because they know people will jump in to save them and pull aggro off early pulls would be considered (people who pull to troll when linkshells don't all report at the instant a hunt is found there are load times because everyone who is actually looking/attempting to spawn a hunt has to make their way to said location. this is an early pull those who pull but didn't do any of the work for it) i also remember people giving pull times and people agreed with them judging pt's add to hunt loc as fair

[FawkesSake]

Hunting Linkshells were made to increase the amount of hunts/per player, one could recieve. You share your hunts because you receive more hunts. At ZERO detriment to you or anyone else. Quid, pro, quo. Win-win.

You want to be a scavanger rather than a hunter? That's your business. But it costs nothing, metaphorically or literally, to help someone out.

In short:
Pro's of early pulling: slightly less waiting around, you still get the items/currency/points
Pro's of waiting 2~mins: More hunters to call out hunts, more incentive to hunt, higher chance of everyone getting seals/tomestones for gear/items/relics, music, mats, achievements... and most importantly - A horde of people not getting pissed off because someone can't wait 2~minutes extra on a 3 day cooldown hunt

2 gil, placed. I won't be needing any change. Thanks for listening, and Hopefully Happy Hunting!

[Causality]

It is Poor Etiquette, nothing more.

There is no difference between pulling early and eating the last of the donuts at a meeting.

It is there for the first person with enough balls to grab and take it.

That said, I usually wait for a good group to arrive before I pull, and I leave the last donut alone. The latter because I've probably eaten two by then anyway.