Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Brian_]

you still have not answered my question...what is the right number of min. one should wait?

1) but when he arrives people were already on it right ? so the wait was already over by maybe 1,2 3,5 mn? soo where is the rudness ?
2) what do you know there are 30, 40,100+ people coming ? to me 30-40 people is more then enough to fight anything...why woudl this be rude or anything of the like ? what is rude in this case is shout accross the land *omv* and 3mn later an entire group is still waiting...yeah`?

So again, what is the right number of minute one should wait....? is it from the moment he arrives, from the moment the first one is there ?? what?...there is no rudness to pull at any given moment by anyone...People are just sore that they didnt get their daily S rank...

If you hunt then you have a general idea of how long you have to get to a mark.

For my server, a fairly high-pop server (probably the 3rd-4th largest JP server), that's generally 3-4 minutes from the point where it gets posted in most large hunt LSs. The time varies based on how far it is from an aetheryte. You can consistently expect to get credit if you get to the mark before then.

So, if the mark gets pulled in that 3-4 minute window, is it early? No. It's factually around the average.

If the mark gets pulled 30 seconds after it is posted, is it early? Yes. It's factually earlier than the average.

What this comes down to is being social aware of the community norms and practicing civility within those standards. Will people always complain? Obviously. But, if you are aware of the standards for hunting, then you know the rules of the game. If you want to participate, you play by those rules.

[Erim-Nelhah]

you still have not answered my question...what is the right number of min. one should wait?

MeiUshu, Please re-read my post - get someone who knows English better than you to translate it if you need to. The whole thing, however, was about courtesy, not "hard" timers or anything like that - and listed 2 major rules that I personally follow and would like others to start following more often. I see my first rule broken at almost every "prime time" hunt on Gilgamesh, and have seen my Second rule broken multiple times there (for ARR hunts) as well.

Edit: If you need a "hard timer" to use, I actually gave you one in my last post: one minute. Note that this, however, is pretty much a bare minimum, and really only applies to people who come to a hunt after it's called, and even then only if no "pull time" has been made known. I know I wait longer. Also, as far as I'm concerned, whoever finds the hunt is free to pull it whenever he/she feels like it, and to call it or not as he/she sees fit. If said person or group doesn't want to wait for others to show up (maybe they spawned Nunyuwuni or some similarly difficult-to-spawn hunt and don't think that people who weren't helping to do that deserve the kill), that's their business.

--Erim Nelhah

[MeiUshu]

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I have been trying to say it in so many ways and you fail and fail over and over again to see that there is NO curtesy to have as a mandatory thing, there is no obligation to wait for anything and anybody to hunt.

You demand people to wait why? because you find it normal ? and who are you to impose this on others and shame those people that dont wait and pull whenever they arrive and kill the hunt, while you were still standing there like a statue ? What you fail to see (or dont want to see) is that it doesnt matter what you want, the only thing that matters is..

.is the person that pulls within his right to do it and is it within the rules ?

the answer to both questions is yes. No matter what you may think or believe you have NO rights to shame someone for doing what he is allowed to do. That attitude, to shame /to expose as bad a person that did nothing wrong, is just despicable and seriously you should be ashamed for even doing it.

Alright good to have an answer. You said 1mn, where is that written that everbody has to wait has to wait 1 mn because you said so ? why not 10mn or 15mm or an hour ? this is subjective and totally arbitrary..that was my point when I asked what is the right amount of time to wait before pulling because in truth there is NO waiting time to have at all other then what you want to wait, be it a second or a minute, and when you deal with so many people that subjective time varies

Have you more right then someone that wants to wait 1 sec? no you dont. Pushing a bit, for that person that deem 1sec to be the right amount of time to wait for, you demanding to wait more is a lack of curtesy towards said person, you dont agree ? why ? because you dont want to see it as such, but it is.

No matter how much you will try to argue that he is wrong and bad I am sorry but so far the only bad people I see around here are those that try to make someone look a horrible person when in truth that person did nothing wrong to warrant that. This call of mob against someone is just...I dont even have the word to discribe it ..if not disgusting.

Now if he is not abiding by the rules, by all means just report and the like BUT do it for good grounds not on fallacious and stupid reasons and if you have reported him and he is not banned then maybe, just maybe, your reason wasnt a good reason...eh?

Personally I agree curtesy should prevail.. BUT he is still within his right to do as he does (as long as within rules) and therefore I personally cant stand haughty people come in here and point fingers at an innocent person that all he is doing is playing the game for what it was intended to be played in the first place. If a waiting time was to be respected, it would have been set in stone, it is not...sooo just live with it and stop being childish people that scream over a piece of sweet that their neighbourg got before them.

[AlphaFox]

Lets just face it, doesnt matter if it was 1 person or 100. 1 minute or an hour wait, someone will ALWAYS complain about early pulls or how no one waited for them.

[Cakekizyy]

First come, first served. Don't make it in time, shrug and move on.

[Neophyte]

First come, first served. Don't make it in time, shrug and move on.

This.
There are 120+ A-Ranks a day (with active hunting community).
Even if I'm playing just 2-3h: There should be almost 10-20 hunts available in that timeframe if I'm actively hunting.
So I should wait additional 3 minutes at each after I ported and got there myself, which adds up to 30-60 mins (16-33% of my playtime)? 1 min should be enough.
Not using GW myself and still getting way enough seals.

[Corfish]

While early pulling might be annoying, keep in mind: Most people doing hunts are leeches. The people who are actually out looking for the hunts will very rarely suffer from an early pull. The only people who can't benefit from them are the people who hear about them through relays. If you are not the finder of a particular hunt then you should not be upset if you do not get full credit for it. Most people doing hunts never bother actually hunting. I've stopped going to hunts myself because of the fact I don't look for them myself anymore, and I don't want to feel like a leech on other people's work.

[Brian_]

The person that Gallus described has every right to grief people by early pulling.

Everyone else also has every right to black list him, contact the leaders of all the major Hunt LSs to have him kicked and ostracized, and notify his FC of his toxicity. At least in the Hunt LSs I'm in, if you are a routine early-puller that admits to doing so for the purpose of griefing, you would be instant kicked.

You obviously have the right to do many things in this game. But, you also have to pay the price for your actions.

[MeiUshu]

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This I can agree to an extend only, just careful as it could be seen as persecution if he reports you, you (general you) might end up in troubles.

There is what is allowed and what is not, is easy to fall into the *what is not* while thinking doing what is.

For the rest...I can agree with that, people as individual can decide if to accept or not..but then you shouldnt speak in chat either and announce hunts in chat, not that he needs any from the looks of it, he might have a spreadsheet or something that he did himself or found on internet that tells when and where it shows up on top of the chat soo blacklisting will forbid you to hear him but he can still do what he does..and still within rules and he doesnt need anybody to do it, so not sure is going to be a huge bother....why not simply do what is allowed to do, blacklist, not persecute, and hunt as he does...

STILL nobody has answered me : what is the right number of minutes acceptable to wait before pulling ? there doesnt seem to be a concensus on that either, maybe you should find a concensus, make a proposition and have it passed as a rule....and THEN you will have ground to complain

[alimdia]

This thread is going to places.

I bet the majority of people arguing in this thread also were here in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.1, and will probably be here repeating the same arguments in 3.5, 4.1, 4.3, 4.5, 5.1 [...]

Just move on, the system isn't perfect but isn't broken, this is the drawback you have to face for having the possibility of unlimited twines when the other two options (wiping city / midas savage) have a weekly lockout.

If you don't like it, every single time the hunts went relevant their activity died like a month and a half later and 3.3 will be no difference, so bosses will die slower and you will have higher chances. And if you don't like that then it's time to upgrade your PC or be the one who spawns them instead of sitting out waiting for calls.