Early Pulling - Is it wrong?

[Gallus]

There's a guy in Ragnarok that always pulls as soon as he gets there, everybody knows him and he's been blacklisted by hundreds of people. I asked him politely why he was doing that and he answered "fun".
Honestly, when it's this exaggerated this should fall into the category of griefing, I've stopped hunts altogether literally thanks to this guy, he made me despise them.

[Snugglebutt]

There's a guy in Ragnarok that always pulls as soon as he gets there, everybody knows him and he's been blacklisted by hundreds of people.

I do hunts, I play on Ragnarok and I have no idea who your talking about so 'everyone knows him' is not true. I highly doubt any single individual can be at every hunt and be the person who pulls at each. It is not griefing to pull at any given time, it might be stupid to pull when not enough people are there because you will just die though. It is however harassment if name shame with shouts as a way to single someone out for abuse and such, it is harassment to send abusive tells to someone and it is harassment to keep resetting a hunt to prevent people from killing it. Those three things are reportable.

Pulling and not waiting for you/me and/or your/my friends is not. I personally wait a few minutes after enough people have turned up to actually beat the target but I will not wait there all day for stragglers and there is no official amount of time anyone has to wait. If I do not make it in time I don't get my knickers in a twist over it though, I am not entitled to force everyone to wait for me and if I see anyone name shaming someone as a way to target them for abuse I will report the person name shaming. To be honest there is way too many people hiding behind the excuse of "consideration" or using the term "early pulling" as a smoke screen for actually meaning "they never waited for me" in here.

They don't wait for me either and quite often I don't make it in time but so be it, no big deal. I have no intention of harassing people over it. Hunt mobs are not finite, they spawn all over Eorzea, most spawn every few hours in regards to A ranks, the S spawn generally every day or two days but they also require more people to actually kill it so people wait longer for people to arrive on those. It would be nice if SE added more hunt mobs in this game and maybe increase the spawn rate, remove the link to gear progression so that people only do them because they enjoy doing them, perhaps introduce a level sync to them too but I am not entitled to take part in every one that spawns plus I don't get to dictate how long everyone should wait and neither does anyone else here.

[Pheryx]

Nope, early pulling is not wrong. No matter what these people say about courtesy you can do whatever you want.

[Archaell]

Personally I see the problem in the whole design of the hunts. From a feature that could have been challenging it degenerated to midless zergfest for free marks whenever some 3rd party app tells you to go gather them and that also created the issue with "early pulling".


Hunts would be much better:

If they had per person CD, instead of long respawn times.

If they were spawned by time limited quests, with only the person and group who spawned it being able to attack the boss.

Something like an open world raids would be much better imo.

[Vespar]

The sad thing is, the people who pull early without checking to see if others are ready or on the way, will just end up earning very bad reputations for themselves. I have already seen this... You'd be surprised how little "courtesy, patience, or respect" others will have for you when you act like a selfish jerk all the time.
So, the next time your looking for assistance don't be surprised when your fellows decline to aid you (or dont even know you exist because half the server's blacklisted you -- yes Ive seen this too...) because they remember your the disrespectful person who couldn't wait a few minutes for the benefit of others.

So really, just let them do what they want. They'll get run out sooner or later.

[Greydor]

Wait, did I miss something? What content is easier (to clear?) in the newest patch due to hunts? Are seals worth something again?

[NaesakiAshwell]

Wait, did I miss something? What content is easier (to clear?) in the newest patch due to hunts? Are seals worth something again?

Basically every 500 centurio seals = unstained clan mark book which = 5 of them = one of the upgrade tokens from taking a lore piece to 240.

[Snugglebutt]

Basically every 500 centurio seals = unstained clan mark book which = 5 of them = one of the upgrade tokens from taking a lore piece to 240.

Also 1000 of them equals an item for anima weapon upgrade. Hunts are one of the few things that should not be linked to gear progression in this game in my opinion, it should remain only those who enjoy hunts doing them for the enjoyment of it to prevent the issues we have every time SE adds a new (current) gear progression reward to them including zerging, harassment and self entitlement issues.

[Greydor]

Basically every 500 centurio seals = unstained clan mark book which = 5 of them = one of the upgrade tokens from taking a lore piece to 240.

Uh, well... didn't know that. See you crazies on Gilgamesh later! Hunt time is on.

[Lethallin]

Just because it's not illegal or against the rules doesn't mean it's not a dick move.

There's a line somewhere. Some people don't care at all about others getting there for the goodies. Some people would rather wait all day to make sure that every single person that wants it gets there. Both are bad.