Alienation of Dedicated and Skilled players

[Seraphix2407]

P.S. Bourne has a point. If you think SE would rather change an entire system of the game to cater to a very small minority of the community rather than keeping the current system which the majority are fine with and/or enjoy, you are foolish.

I actually think Yoshida desveres more than this. I mean, he saved their asses (for a while, until the cow stops). One day, just one day, when he actually get more money, resources etc for a lot more content, then most RPer will bat an eye and whine about they didn't get the new fashion vanity, but instead they have to do battle content. I pray this day come, because It will put a smile on my face. Not because I can get more stuff to do, but sitting back and see how they struggle and then say they gonna quit game because there wasn't enough vanity lol.

[Caelum_Dragguell]

Who is even saying anything about a slow multi month grind. Please Direct me to where someone has said this. Referring to FFXI seems Taboo here in that when someone merely mentions it, it is instantly viewed as someone WANTING that grind. NO THEY DON'T. We just want meaningful stats. It could take maybe a day or a week to get said items depending on which route you take. NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD does ANYONE say they want a yearlong grind to get one item and NOWHERE in this thread does anyone actually want a system where only one way of playing is optimal. If the Dev team actually works on making stats differentiated then we could have some faith in them that they would make them interesting enough and balanced to a point where they are all viable.

[Ilenya]

I actually think Yoshida desveres more than this. I mean, he saved their asses (for a while, until the cow stops). One day, just one day, when he actually get more money, resources etc for a lot more content, then most RPer will bat an eye and whine about they didn't get the new fashion vanity, but instead they have to do battle content. I pray this day come, because It will put a smile on my face. Not because I can get more stuff to do, but sitting back and see how they struggle and then say they gonna quit game because there wasn't enough vanity lol.

Funny. Most RPers would just...Do the content. Shocking.

...Wildstar flopped. A lot due to failures in marketing...

Gee, NCSoft being a failure at marketing. How surprising.

I'm not bitter.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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First and foremost, knock of the massive presumptions of what I do. You are not me, and therefore have no idea how I choose to spend my time.

I am well aware of the content in this game, and have participated in virtually all of it. What I seem to be missing, however, is a semblance of any point in this rant outside you taking potshots because I happen to be on Balmung. Nothing you said has any relevance to the debate in question. You finding the game boring does not inherent mean the game is flawed. At no point have I said people shouldn't do xyz, but merely disagreed horizontal progression will have the perceived impact the OP believes. Then elaborated on why I feel that way. Now we're back to "raiders find the game boring after this finish x content." To which we circle back to where they make up a very small fraction of the community. Hence why SE isn't making content directly catering to their preferences outside a new tier of Savage every six months. That isn't an opinion, but fact. If FFXIV had the mass exodus you're insinuating, then it wouldn't remain among the most popular MMOs.

[Caelum_Dragguell]

Also let's cool off on "personal" attacks. They're not pertinent to any sense of meaningful discussion

[Seraphix2407]

Funny. Most RPers would just...Do the content. Shocking.

Translation: "I want more content that only 5% of the server population can do and exclude jobs that cannot do optimal damage."

What does this say to you?

First and foremost, knock of the massive presumptions of what I do. You are not me, and therefore have no idea how I choose to spend my time.

Well from your older post in this thread it seems like It. I'm not trying to attack you, but you give me (maybe others) a vibe that it's only fine to have fun aka RP or sit around doing almost nothing but chatting to people. I'm sorry if you feel I attacked you, which wasn't my goal at all. But I still stay on what I said, you do preach of and make it sound like ''just because I don't like it, we shouldn't have it'' sorta attitude.

[Ilenya]

What does this say to you?

It tells me that he isn't talking for me with his translation?

I feel like I should make my actual stance known before someone takes anything I say way out of context.

I do not personally run high tier things. I don't savage, and I have yet to actually be in an Ex fight when it was actively the highest tier primal (except maybe Shiva? I dunno.) My reaction to Coils locking the 1.0 story behind the high tier raid was basically to hold off on it, since I knew I wouldn't be very good at it, and wait until I could get a chance to actually run it (I think I went into T1 before echo, but nothing afterwards, just as an example. Also, still haven't finished it, but mostly due to not knowing the fights at all at this point.)

I get why people are complaining about the lack of content designed for horizontal building as opposed to vertical, but at the same time I personally am not worried. If they get it in, cool! More power to the people who run it. If not? I'm not worried.

That said, trying to set this up as an "Us vs. them" in regards to what is being released is basically trying to break up the playerbase for no good reason whatsoever. It is entirely possible for multiple things to be worked on at once, so potentially SE could set up a group of people who only work on the more hardcore-style aspects, and I would be perfectly okay with it, even if I don't run it myself.

Also, though I am sure this has been mentioned before, if they do add horizontal gearing they'd have to do it carefully, mostly because the playerbase would latch onto "X effect is best effect!" and basically make the other options relatively pointless.

[Lorielle]

SNIP.

Well, you don't have a clear understanding of horizontal progression. Though I believe someone has already cleared it up already. So, do take a look at that then actually consider what I've been -trying- to say.

Why do you choose to throw the reality of the situation to me? Something that's clearly obvious to both parties? We know SE is catering to the 95%. That's why the game is on a decline. I don't know about you, but I feel like the posts regarding the state of the game is becoming a lot more frequent than it was in the past.

And there are people who don't like the game currently the way it is. If you don't voice your concern, then the game is going to continue in its stale state until people just get down right bored.

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Actually here it is -

The joy of a good horizontal system is that you wouldn't have just the one weapon to pick from, but perhaps dozens of different weapons that all played slightly different. One sword's auto attack might be a small AoE, another sword's attack might occasionally apply a dot to the enemy, another sword might funnel emnity from your party to yourself with each blow, another could have a small chance to summon a friendly Beastman to help you fight for 10 seconds every time you parry, etc. It wouldn't be one weapon that lasted, but a whole collection all with different strengths,

[Caelum_Dragguell]

That said, trying to set this up as an "Us vs. them" in regards to what is being released is basically trying to break up the playerbase for no good reason whatsoever. It is entirely possible for multiple things to be worked on at once, so potentially SE could set up a group of people who only work on the more hardcore-style aspects, and I would be perfectly okay with it, even if I don't run it myself.

Thank you for understanding this concept. I don't want less for those interested in other content, just more for those that do. (for the love of god don't twist my words or offer some baffling nonsensical counter argument)

[Seraphix2407]

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No, I completely understand you. I know some people choose to do it your way which I did mention few this in this thread and on these forums in general I respect. It doesn't tell me or give me the right to say, HEY SQUARE ENIX STOP PATCHING 90% OF THE STUFF WITH GLAMOUR AND 10% CONTENT BUT IT MIGHT FLOP?!

You said something there ''if not? I'm not worried'' You see, people complain for every single thing that happens. There is a difference giving criticism and whining. The whole buttler and maid outfit made many people explode. If it never happened, it wouldn't worry me either, however it made people happy and I'm glad. But I'm sorry to say, many in this thread make it sound like ''if they add content that most can't do, I'm going to unsub' Hence the quote I gave you. Saying 5% of the population on each server can do it is... yeah not so smart. You know that there could be added content many could do easy like midcore one, like weeping city is a perfect example. But don't worry I get your point and I'm glad you posted it in some more depth.

And it's like you said, even if it's added and you chose not to do it, that's fine, if not that's your choice, easy. Sadly people in here take it as a threat. Thanks for understanding, kudos.