Where is the petition for jobs to start at level 1?

[Azuta]

I really don't like the fact that you have to be level 30 to really get any value out of this..

Why not just make the job system available to any rank? Anyways as said we don't have all the info so hopefully it will be accessible no matter what rank you are

[DNO]

I really don't like the fact that you have to be level 30 to really get any value out of this..

Why not just make the job system available to any rank? Anyways as said we don't have all the info so hopefully it will be accessible no matter what rank you are

We do have info. and the info is one class needs to be rank 30 and most likley a second class thats rank 15. These are almost like new addititions to your classes. Its like saying i wish i got all abilities at any rank. Its a little silly.

Also its way to easy to get to lvl 30

[Azuta]

We do have info. and the info is one class needs to be rank 30 and most likley a second class thats rank 15. These are almost like new addititions to your classes. Its like saying i wish i got all abilities at any rank. Its a little silly.

Also its way to easy to get to lvl 30

No it is not, if its a specialization then it should specialize you towards a certain style of play, If it were an a new advance class then I could understand, but its just a specialization shift with some added skills.

It doesn't matter if its easy or not to get to 30, what matters is that content and systems are distributed properly among the levels, not mid levels and endgame levels get all the meaty content and then the starting players and lower level players get scrap and leftovers.

[Manafont]

The fact that we have people actually asking for a time-sink grind fest to level up Jobs is absurd.
I'd love to hear developer's talk amongst themselves on that issue.

"Wait, you mean the community wants us to make the game more repetitive and require more grinding? Huh? Time-sinks are what we use as a ploy to engage players for longer periods of time, and they request MORE?"

Relax guys. We'll get Jobs. We'll have to do a few quests to earn some abilities. Most of you will just hit the Confirm button over and over again when talking to NPCs and get no satisfaction from the story that the quests might tell. Some of us will enjoy the story, which will undoubtedly serve to introduce some sort of mentor character for each new Job. Hopefully anyway.

While I agree that grinding is a method in which we learn how to play our class properly and see our characters grow, please don't beg the developers for more. It's seriously stupid. Hey, I have a great idea - we should arbitrarily increase the amount of XP needed to get to 50. Instead of requiring 100 hours, make it 110 (arbitrary example). Ya, totally makes the game more fun. Those extra 10 hours really hit the spot.

an MMO is a timesink so quit your crying lil bwoy!

[Rubicon]

Some of us will enjoy the story, which will undoubtedly serve to introduce some sort of mentor character for each new Job. Hopefully anyway.

I'm begging for something like this. I would love to see a cast of mentors for each job. We need more epic characters in this game and this is one way to do it.

[grandm]

The fact that we have people actually asking for a time-sink grind fest to level up Jobs is absurd.
I'd love to hear developer's talk amongst themselves on that issue.

"Wait, you mean the community wants us to make the game more repetitive and require more grinding? Huh? Time-sinks are what we use as a ploy to engage players for longer periods of time, and they request MORE?"

Relax guys. We'll get Jobs. We'll have to do a few quests to earn some abilities. Most of you will just hit the Confirm button over and over again when talking to NPCs and get no satisfaction from the story that the quests might tell. Some of us will enjoy the story, which will undoubtedly serve to introduce some sort of mentor character for each new Job. Hopefully anyway.

While I agree that grinding is a method in which we learn how to play our class properly and see our characters grow, please don't beg the developers for more. It's seriously stupid. Hey, I have a great idea - we should arbitrarily increase the amount of XP needed to get to 50. Instead of requiring 100 hours, make it 110 (arbitrary example). Ya, totally makes the game more fun. Those extra 10 hours really hit the spot.

time sink grinding is not new and was not invented by MMO's. how many RPGs have you played where you have needed to grind awhile to get to a high enough level to pass a boss or area? if time sink grinding was so unpopular why is a big part of all RPG's and MMORPG's. now i know you don't play these games for the grind, but it is only a recent thing tha i have heard such a back lash against the grind.

one final thought RPG's are huge in japan. i wonder if the japanese hate the grind as much as some ppl seem to on this sid of the world

[Estellios]

time sink grinding is not new and was not invented by MMO's. how many RPGs have you played where you have needed to grind awhile to get to a high enough level to pass a boss or area? if time sink grinding was so unpopular why is a big part of all RPG's and MMORPG's. now i know you don't play these games for the grind, but it is only a recent thing tha i have heard such a back lash against the grind.

I think it's because there have been alternatives/alleviations to grinding as games became better made over the years. The best RPGs have usually been ones that were balanced precisely so that as long as you fought a majority of the battles throughout the game you would always be at an appropriate level for bosses/etc. Chrono Trigger is probably the best old-school example that comes to mind.

[Physic]

time sink grinding is not new and was not invented by MMO's. how many RPGs have you played where you have needed to grind awhile to get to a high enough level to pass a boss or area? if time sink grinding was so unpopular why is a big part of all RPG's and MMORPG's. now i know you don't play these games for the grind, but it is only a recent thing tha i have heard such a back lash against the grind.

one final thought RPG's are huge in japan. i wonder if the japanese hate the grind as much as some ppl seem to on this sid of the world

to be perfectly honest, for the japanese rpgs Ive played, this is almost never the case, they design the content so you are at the appropriate level for it when you get there. Now maybe some people love to be overpowered, and grind high so they can obliterate all enemies, but that by no means is the norm. The only rpg i grinded in was probably ffvi and that was to do all the extra stuff, and just to see what you could be capable of, it actually made the boss battles way to easy.

I think the grind pointlessly is something that came from some other games

[grandm]

to be perfectly honest, for the japanese rpgs Ive played, this is almost never the case, they design the content so you are at the appropriate level for it when you get there. Now maybe some people love to be overpowered, and grind high so they can obliterate all enemies, but that by no means is the norm. The only rpg i grinded in was probably ffvi and that was to do all the extra stuff, and just to see what you could be capable of, it actually made the boss battles way to easy.

I think the grind pointlessly is something that came from some other games

a really grindy game that come to mind that was highly successful and much loved is FF10. if you wanted to get the best out of the sphere grid you had to grind. and with it not having lv's like other FF titles as such you had no idea of hw much really grinded. although the grind was made easyier with the monster catching as you could concentrate getting them all for the battle arena. but still a very grindy game

[elreed]

Yay quest to get 4-5 skills. Quest wont take long. i will have every job/skill. I will easily beat the new dungeons and garuda. and then what? JOBS are supposed to be for groups. so why shouldn't you have to level them up cause i'm sure they are going to be used way more than classes.

In my opinion jobs will be similar to the class they needed to be able to get it, but those will have a few better skills than classes loosing the good thing of using cross class abbilities, thats why its only meant for party play, they already said that for gladiator you need both gladiator and marauder to get the Paladin job, so... you will only have access to those 2 classes abbilities and sounds logic enough for me.

Having a class instead of a job is better for soloing than for party events.

Thats why they wont make those start from scratch.