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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    Right now theirs only two, yes two, MMO's that are on a subscription model and are somewhat succesful. These two are WoW and FFXIV.
    You forgot EVE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    One of these is very successful and has a "jump potion" for newcomers. The other has 300+ required quests before the endgame.
    When WoW was at its most successful it didn't need to offer jump potions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    Can you guess whos who? and can you guess which of the two will continue to draw in new players?
    WoW doesn't draw in new players, it had over 12m subs at its peak, the well of people prepared to give WoW a go was run dry a long time ago.
    I'd guess that the amount of people playing WoWs latest expansion that have never played WoW before is absolutely minuscule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enur View Post
    I can. And my answer is World of warcraft. Not allowing people to play the part of the game that was advertized to them is simply unfeasable in this day and age.
    I haven't argued against letting players skip chunks of the story, I haven't argued that players should be denied access to all expansion content. I was one of those who argued that Ishgard and the 3.0 jobs should have ways of accessing them before completing the 2.X MSQ over a year ago.

    I'm just saying that SE shouldn't be selling fixes to these problems, they should just be fixing them.

    (Honestly, the 3.0 jobs... DRK would have fit Ul'dah perfectly, being dicks to refugees is like Ul'dahs thing, Astrologian could have started at the Observatory in Coerthas Central and there is a guild of gun users in Limsa ready and waiting for Machinist.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    You asked for examples. You can't then say "well, those examples aren't good enough!" FFXIV is currently the only MMO still clinging to the archaic quests unlock everything system, thus you won't get a direct comparison.
    I didn't say the examples were not good enough, I was showing they all have somewhat exonerating reasons/excuses. The F2P games don't have the same steady revenue streams and the ancient MMO behemoth has literally millions and millions of nostalgic ex-customers to try and lure back.

    As I said, if we're going F2P or B2P consider my objections to this withdrawn.

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    I feel like we're all just repeating ourselves at this point. I'll make my decisions regarding my money when the time comes, as will others, that's all any of us can really do I suppose. Not like anyone important is actually reading this shit anyway .

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    I miss the 2.0 to 2.4 period, when a big MMO from a major publisher existed without microtransactions .
    Hell, forget MMO's, a major game from a major publisher was novel enough.
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    Last edited by Jandor; 12-15-2016 at 02:03 AM.