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    Quote Originally Posted by Snugglebutt View Post
    No.

    That would be giving RMT 100% easy access to ruin and infest HW content just like they do with ARR content. The story gating which incorporates multiple hard level 50 dungeons and trials has stopped RMT getting it's claws into HW content. You will not find a RMT bot army anywhere in HW zones, you will not find an RMT city /say or /shout chat spammer in Ishgard either. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar unless they can here and now provide proof that RMT has managed to get past that gating which to-date no-one has. Proof that is not just a singular/individual legitimate player who decided to bot after manually working through that gating.

    Exactly.. Thats one of the reasons i'm glad SE did what they did because it bars RMT from going farther, and I too have never seen anything RMT release in HW areas. If there are, then I haven't looked hard enough and humbly apologize
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadub2k View Post
    Exactly.. Thats one of the reasons i'm glad SE did what they did because it bars RMT from going farther, and I too have never seen anything RMT release in HW areas. If there are, then I haven't looked hard enough and humbly apologize
    I would be cautious with that. Many of FFXI's design decisions were done with the intention of hindering RMTers but it ended up harming the general community/game much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadub2k View Post
    I too have never seen anything RMT release in HW areas. If there are, then I haven't looked hard enough and humbly apologize
    No one has, which is why no one has any evidence to the contrary. Anyone who says otherwise is in my opinion a liar using a fallacy to add fictional weight to their position of which none have proof to back it up. None of them have even bothered trying to photoshop some fake proof because they know people will figure it out. The gating was not done for the sole purpose of stopping RMT infesting HW zones but it doing so has been a blessing I am not willing to give up without one hell of a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snugglebutt View Post
    No one has, which is why no one has any evidence to the contrary. Anyone who says otherwise is in my opinion a liar using a fallacy to add fictional weight to their position of which none have proof to back it up. None of them have even bothered trying to photoshop some fake proof because they know people will figure it out. The gating was not done for the sole purpose of stopping RMT infesting HW zones but it doing so has been a blessing I am not willing to give up without one hell of a fight.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    This, so much this.

    When we started HW, I figured this would be a deterrent to RMT botting in HW areas, because the investment in time and effort to get RMT bots to HW locations is quite high. As you say, it is effectively gated behind a lot of content which isn't easily navigated by a bot of any kind. Removing that gate or giving a potion that RMTs can exploit to jump the gate would be a terrible addition to the game from the point of view of RMT deterrence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    This, so much this.

    When we started HW, I figured this would be a deterrent to RMT botting in HW areas, because the investment in time and effort to get RMT bots to HW locations is quite high. As you say, it is effectively gated behind a lot of content which isn't easily navigated by a bot of any kind. Removing that gate or giving a potion that RMTs can exploit to jump the gate would be a terrible addition to the game from the point of view of RMT deterrence.
    It was definitely nice while it lasted. I know they're putting in more anti-RMT countermeasures, but those never seem to last long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teryaani View Post
    It was definitely nice while it lasted. I know they're putting in more anti-RMT countermeasures, but those never seem to last long.
    Yes, however, content gates that bog down RMT access to new areas and content seem to be far more effective (and last longer) than many of the other countermeasures involved. I mean, if a bot in an HW area get's removed, the RMT has to work another one all the way through ARR and then HW to achieve that again. It's non trivial and increases the cost to the RMT. Anything that slows them down, bogs them down or increases their costs is a deterrent to RMT.
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